(Author’s note – The easy to understand blunt from the start title of this post may seem perhaps strange or humorous to some readers at first glance, however it is quite apt and proven to be accurate and topically fitting once the various actual real known facts vis-a-vis numerous fictions and misinformations are brought forth and examined, so for this reason when grouping the various highlighted false informations, contradictions, mythomania and errors etc found from whichever language the textual sources are derived from, I decided to just use the common and easy to understand colloquial term “bullshitism” as a more translation-friendly, more semantically comprehensible and inclusive vocabulary for the benefit of the reader, and because probably lots of people don’t know what a “theological construct” is anyway. If totally unfamiliar with this topic the reader may need to read my first posts “National Security Alert: Foreign Telescamvangelists, Cults, Sects” and “Birth Of The Iron Age Yahwehism Blood Magic Death Cult” for more background information, visuals, behind the scenes less known pertinent details and various definitions that help explain the facts, ideas, circumstances and even geopolitical situations that led to the ancient era of these fiction stories and various primitive theologies. i.e. – to the actual invention of the Abrahamic/biblical fables tribal god in the Levant and ancient Canaan during the Late Bronze/Iron Age as a direct result of many theological and blood magic sorcery mutations, much cultural and religious syncretization and diffusion, primitive ancient superstitions, cosmology and abstract concepts borrowings, influences and adaptions from other surrounding older and neighboring religions such as from the ancient Mesopotamians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Canaanites, Zoroastrianism until lastly from Greco-Roman influences, religious beliefs, classic literature and philosophies etc).
Well, it’s that season again, that oh so very important season for televangelists and telescamvangelists especially, that very popular holy fundraising season for their temples coffers to bring in as many faith seed shekels as they can, and so of course you’ll come across all of them playing up on the “Nativity Stories” as much as possible (yes plural, it’s not just 1 story as many think), including of course the related choirs and singing about the adventures (believe it or not sometimes even bringing camels in church for the full theatrical effect as proof about something, that camels exist or that camels can appear then disappear and reappear I guess? or that camels are undeniable evidence proof that they were saved on the ark otherwise how could they even be in the church or even exist on the planet in the first place unless they were saved on the ark? that’s scientific proof), the many books and DVDs being sold, I mean various “special offers” being “offered” not sold, lol (oh so many books and DVDs that’s for sure, the “Power of Pretend” can give forth an abundance of mountains of books and DVDs and even miraculously multiply them a hundredfold I verily tell you, Glo-Ry!), probably reenactment plays and tree ornaments too, and of course the shellfish and pork tenderloin/bacon abominations.
Which is why I decided to post this here and tell the real story of what’s going on so to speak. Because even though I already came to the conclusion a long time ago while in my early teens, even before that actually, that the bible, and Abrahamic religions in general, but especially biblical stories material, was mostly fiction, fables, fraudulent mythomanias, later forgeries and basically invented primitive Bronze Age and Iron Age behaviorisms and theologies leftovers, something even completely alien to me (as well as contradictory and failed wrong in many places), but I still didn’t particularly like the fact that I was told to believe them and even have my young mind inundated by their various media scoundrels and television mind control propaganda also (particularly on Sundays when channelsurfing for something real and interesting to watch but instead having my eyeballs, ears, personality-identity and my rightful common sense violated and accosted with religious quackery fabulist’s fake history tricks, self-loathing displays and lying charlatans faith-shekels seeds schemes (just like a television-sectarian excreta virus’ outstretched tentacles trying to feed on my brain and control my mind to do their bidding and enter their pretend world circus-carnival instead of existing in the real world and cosmos), particularly when I came to realize they were lies and people making things up for their own agendas, feeling particularly violated with them attempting to fill my head with all sorts of strange warped pretend world hocus pocus doctrines and contradictory false information ramblings about all sorts of weird and warped things written by anonymous weirdos in some desert somewhere that were just their own invented agendas and pretend world ideas, abstract concepts and imaginations in their own mind, if they even existed in the first place which was very improbable anyway and more often than not impossible and proven so numerous times in numerous ways. Even at that young age I felt absolutely no natural affinity or any kind of connectedness to the various superheroes, characters, events, ideas, traditions, customs, their beliefs, the various blood magic sorcery and magic tricks, smitings-blessings, the weird foreign mega-ethnocentricism themes that was not part of my history or even have anything to do with me or my history whatsoever, or even with the real world, it all seemed very alien to me, like a natural aversion similar to my aversion to eating insects or maggots, and especially the main presented warped and dumb tribal deity skydaddy-genie character (I realized even back then that It was time to stop fooling myself with confirmation bias and denying cognitive dissonance by just pushing to the side and background the many various contradictions, errors, false information, disturbing grotesqueries and anonymously written nonsense and then just pretending it was all instead perfectly divine information and absolutely all true and perfectly this and that or whatever the guru and religion leader was claiming), because instead they seemed strange, not of this world obscure and theological inventions, extremely far-fetched, absurd otherworldly fictional and just primitive foreign deserts Bronze-Iron Age Yahwehism-Jehovahism voodoo filth irrelevant, even most of the cartoons I watched back then seemed more plausible, believable and they even made more sense with an actual point to the story at the end, for example Justice League cartoons; a problem occurs…the heroes have to defeat the villain or villains…drama, mystery, action, suspense…nefarious villain gets defeated..heroes chit-chat at the end being victorious, sometimes a relevant final anecdote or even a humorous final synopsis remark and all is well…stay tuned next week folks! Now that there makes perfect sense and has a point, even He-Man Masters of the Universe, Battle of the Planets and Scooby-Doo similarly made more sense with an actual easily comprehensible plot and actual point at the end of each episode that anybody could easily understand, anybody on the planet would immediately understand what’s going on…they would clearly know who the heroes are, who the villain is and what the villain’s plan is, the various powers and abilities of the heroes and of the villain/villains, where the villain came from, why the villain must be defeated and how the heroes defeat the villain using various means and importantly with no contradictions, heck as just one example you will even know from the start that Zoltar is the villain but he takes his orders from the enigmatic “Luminous One” who’s then actually the ultimate real villain and Zoltar is just his servant minion, even The Smurfs, which was a cartoon I didn’t watch, nevertheless at least also had a straight up easily understandable plot and characters and a point at the end, sure they’re all just fictional cartoon entertainment but at least they made way more logical sense and were way more clearly explained and presented (importantly also the person watching them isn’t being mind control brainwashed into having to believe that every scene, plot and character is 100% real and true or else they could be thrown into the Egyptian Lake of Fire for eternity and the pitchforking and burning worms etc), and on top of that they had credits included also so you know who wrote and made the cartoons instead of them being anonymously made by someone, somewhere at some time (but a talking snake? incestuous garden family? living to be over 900 years old? burning talking bushes that don’t burn they just keep burning but never really actually burn or get burned? wrestling with god and winning? sacrificing burnt blemish-free pigeons, blood magic sorcery and necromancy? (yep necromancy, communicating with dead people/characters, seeing apparitions and visions, receiving hidden knowledge, prophecies or secrets and instances of back from the dead zombieism using incantations/magical words powers is just plain ol’ necromancy…”necromancy is necromancy” no matter which religion or even which puny cult or sect does it or believes it), god-condoned rape of young virgins? talking to and killing a fig tree for nefariously not growing fruit out of season? talking donkey? coin in a fish mouth magic trick? living 3 days in a fish? making deals with demons and then making demon-possessed swine? torturously boring peculiar long-winded speeches? a god battling a multi-headed Leviathan sea monster? six-fingered and six-toed Nephilim giants? all the trees, plants and vegetation growing on earth before any stars, the moon or the sun existed? many fresh newly made zombies risen out of graves walking around the city “seen by many”? ordering killing of infants, children and pregnant women but strictly forbidding shrimp, crab salad, lobster and bacon as abominations? obsessive bloodthirstiness? no cotton-polyester blends garments? threatening and promising cannibalism? stopping the rotation of earth and orbit of the moon? sacrificing a virgin cow and painting dead bird’s blood dots on people to “cure” leprosy? sticks turning into snakes but picking up sticks or mowing the lawn on weekends being a death penalty sentence? Egyptian Lake of Fire? multi-headed human-animal hybrid winged creatures and wheels covered in eyeballs?…..What the heck kind of hocus pocus sorcery and diabolical alternate weirdo world is this anyway? Who conjured up this strange abominable carnival? (will not Lobster Boy, The 4-Legged Woman, The Camel Girl, Elastic Man, The Fee-Jee Mermaid, Jo-Jo the Dog Faced Boy and the Amazing Bearded Lady be there also to be magically healed?), What foul ringmaster from the fiendish calamitous corners of the universe envisioned bringing this transmogrified insane voodoo blood magic circus into town and why? (for the entertainment of the angels perhaps? or for the creepy-crawlies to rejoice and dance about their macabre dance for the stars and moons?). When did this monstrosity story begin exactly or has it always been eternal as a painted clown’s necromantical laugh or a nefarious wizard’s strange bubbling brew? Just what sort of vile brainwashing mind control abominations are at play here? What desert devil or witch evoked forth these and other dross deceits displays and absurdities spells? Where exactly is this strange bizarro-planet anyway? (is it flat or round like ours?), pfff get real I didn’t just fall off the pumpkin truck from Mesopotamia to buy some magical sandals or a basket of magical fruit). Yep, even back then I didn’t appreciate pathological mythomania bullshitism and imaginary hocus pocus being told to me or even coming across it on television by accident, particularly when brainwashing mind control and even more particularly when pathetic displays of faith-shekels seeds begging and fakery tricks is involved. Like I said at my first post, for a very long time and today, in no sense am I follower of Yahwehism-Jehovahism or any of the Abrahamic religions “faiths”, which makes me about as unbiased in my worldview as someone can be, definitely much more so than any of the present-day writers on the Abrahamic faiths topics because they are limited, stuck and controlled in their thinking and reasoning processes.
(Don’t get me wrong though, just because I won’t be at any of those events and being all singing believing or waving my hands in the air for whatever reason etc, or going around buying all the overpriced pointless crap I can get my hands on either, doesn’t mean I’ll be throwing out the whole entire holiday season, that would be ridiculous and dumb (even though I personally have never even been a fan of the holiday since I was a kid, I always hated sitting as a 4 or 5 year old on another fake Santa Clause lap in the mall are some of my earliest memories, I already knew he was fake and I never wore the stupid Santa Clause ring they gave out and never liked listening to any sort of carolling, I liked the tree decorating, the foods, some presents, making snowmen, tobogganing and blinking lights (and getting to taste some sample sips of wine, beer and hooch which was cool and fun), but that was mostly it, even at that time I was already a bigger Hallowe’en fan which was basically the whole month of October and way better cartoons too, oh and New Year’s Eve was ok too of course). After all, I’m Croatian background with a history going back to the ancient Hyperboreans so naturally I’ll definitely be having traditional Croatian holiday foods including some abominational shrimp, crab or shellfish themed recipes, pork tenderloin and bacon (they don’t call it the candy of meats for nothing, plus if I have the pork tenderloin with a cheese sauce it will be doubly an abomination and heretical), stuffed peppers, cabbage rolls and of course beer and/or wine and/or traditional hooch derived adult beverages, because after all it’s all about the Hibernal Solstice/Midwinter festivities customs which goes far back in history, it’s all about celebrating and relaxing during the cold short days and dark Winter Solstice time and the coming New Year season just like in the old days thousands of years ago to even during the Last Glacial Maximum. (you could even say that the snowmen I make today are offspring of the snowmen that they made thousands of years ago). It’s even the original reason for the season everyone knows that, so of course I’m not going to not respect that and my ancestors and their snowmen, that would be disrespectful, offensive and absurd to even imagine, heck it would even make me a loathsome nefarious treacherous traitor spitting on my and their existence).
I’m not going to get into the topics of how and why December 25th was eventually centuries later chosen as the nativity date (Hint; it was already a popular gift-giving, candles lighting, trees and decorations, drinking, snacking and singing etc holiday time celebrated by various pagan religions centered around the Hibernal Solstice, aka Winter Solstice/Midwinter, some of them even already specifically on December 25th), or about the gospels novels scribe’s using cherry picked excerpts of quotes from OT Isaiah, Hosea and other books as a “prediction” as claimed because they’re so obviously taken completely out of context and have absolutely less than nothing to do with anything 800 years and centuries in the future, and the predicted events and results did not happen anyway, and the one’s claimed to be fulfilled were done in the writer’s own day, it’s not difficult to understand, it’s so obvious that all one has to do is just read the passages “in context” and it’s immediately understood that the gospels writers are inventing abstract meanings from a selective tiny partial snippet that aren’t there or even implied to be there…today we call that fraudulent), or about how most of the holiday’s traditions are derived from earlier European pagan religion’s customs and rituals, those are already established facts and known about. I briefly discussed this particular topic among other NT and OT biblical contradictions and wrong information topics at my very first post “National Security Alert: Foreign Telescamvangelists, Cults, Sects“.
And let’s not forget, and it’s something to keep in mind during this very brief examination of this particular nativity story topic…“miraculous virgin births” stories and claims were already very common literary themes and even popular pagan religions tropes for already thousands of years before anonymous so-called Matthew and Luke started writing, fabricating and contradicting (as well as many dying and rising saviours and demigods being already popular also), popular elsewhere first such as the Buddha as one very well-known example, and especially popular already in the area ala Hercules, Perseus, Ion, Asclepius, Dionysus, Helen, Asherah, Sennacherib, Zoroaster, Zalmoxis, Alexander the Great, the Ptolemies, Caesar Augustus, Plato, Romulus, Remus and many others, and they coincidentally often include conceptions by miraculous circumstances and being virgin-born and features such as intervention by a deity, supernatural elements, astronomical signs, escaping, hardships etc (see miraculous births). Actually, the whole “miraculous virgin birth” theme is only just one of the ideas that crept into this one small fringe Jewish religious apocalyptic blood magic sect from various other surrounding older religions in the Levant and Middle East, and which were a direct result of religious syncretism and cultural diffusion not from some all of a sudden new divine holy news scoop by a master of the cosmos to a guy in the desert here and there once in a blue moon (and giving erroneous and contradictory information and occasionally a “vision” in only his mind) as portrayed in the fables narrative (e.g. – baptism; pagan, circumcision; pagan, pork taboo; pagan, resurrection/zombifications; pagan, monotheism; pagan, the apocalypse; pagan, blood magic sorcery; pagan, hellfire/lake of fire; pagan, creation and flood myths origins; pagan, because these are earlier ideas, traditions and customs…from the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Mesopotamia, Akkadians, Egyptians, Assyrians, Zoroastrianism, as well as influences from other local Canaanite religions in the neighborhood).
But like I said, let’s see what’s really exactly going on and not going on in these 2 particular presented nativity stories that many people think is just 1 story but isn’t, that many people think they know and only think is real events and telling the same thing but is instead telling different and contradictory stories, as well as the stuff in the stories always left out or not talked about or even questioned by most, many times just because they don’t even know what is written in their very own book/manual (sort of like how we are supposed to believe that dinosaurs and the entire population of humanoids on the entire planet derive from just 3 men about 6,000 years ago, or more precisely all the planet’s nations, peoples and languages (and animals) from just 8 people on a boat about 4,700 years ago, yep nothing questionable or doubtable there so it must have happened just as it’s written by an anonymous someone somewhere without a doubt, to even think about doubting the claims basically equates to diabolical nefarious heretical gentile infidelism)…
…Firstly, so many events, characters and things mentioned by one of these gospels novels is completely missing in the other (of the 4 anonymous gospel novels only 2 of them include a nativity story, the ones today that are so-called “Matthew” and “Luke”, however we don’t really know and nobody has ever known who wrote any of them, all 4 of the writers don’t tell who they are, where they are, exactly when they are writing or even what their sources are). The types of events described in one gospel are impossible to reasonably reconcile with the other, add to that, that all previous mythical gods had biographies written about them pretending they were real historical people (Romulus, Hercules, Osiris, Asclepius, Bacchus, Dionysus, Tammuz, Zalmoxis, Adonis and numerous others), and that many of them had disciples and/or personal followers that were given secret special messages, and even promised eternal life to them after the new superhero resurrected from the dead and floated up to somewhere out there (sound familiar?), then the probability of mythicism in this case becomes even much greater and practically undeniable (also factor in that the first anonymous gospel-novel which eventually had the name “Mark” applied to it by someone somewhere, it doesn’t have any nativity story at all…nothing…Mark includes absolutely no travelling, no magis, no census, no manger, no genealogies, no angels, no visions, no Herod, no amazing UFO-star, no singing trumpeting winged aliens, no massacres of children, none of it, probably because it wasn’t important or he just never knew about it because it wasn’t invented yet? or because the pigeon floating around his head was more impressive and miraculous?).
As just one example…Herodotus in his work “Histories” Book IV (the same book where he coincidentally mentions the ancient Croat Hyperborean tribes of antiquity, but who were also later known as the Veneti as recorded by Tacitus circa 98 CE), he reported about the Zalmoxis based religion which was a belief he encountered among the Getae and Dacians in Thrace around 425 BCE, also attested by Plato and many other writers as a god of the mysteries, living circa 7th century BCE, Zalmoxis was believed to be a former slave, a traveller and then prince who became king and later a religious reformer and teacher of the nation, reappearing alive after being dead and buried for 3 years and eventually becoming a divinity mediating between the earthly world and afterworld, the followers of the resurrected Zalmoxis said he promised eternal life to them that believed in his teachings (which included slavery being forbidden and an abhorrence of slavery, which the biblical Yahweh-Jehovah (and even Jesus), strangely had no issues with and instead actually promoted. so Zalmoxis already is more intelligent than both of them), and that after death they too would be where Zalmoxis was…immortal in “Paradise” eternally…written sources starting from the 3rd century BCE about Romulus the legendary founder and first king of Rome include accounts of him being called “Son of God”, he is born of a virgin into a poor family, hailed as the king, killed by a ruling elite council conspiracy, after his death the land is covered in darkness, his corpse goes missing, witnesses flee afraid after being told “he is risen”, but when he is risen from the dead “at the break of dawn” he then receives a new immortal “bright shining appearance” body, he appears to a friend on the road to the capital city, “ascends” to heaven, then afterwards he is considered an incarnated god…Centuries before Christianity there are accounts and written stories abound about Hercules who’s father was the god Zeus and his “earthly mother” Alcmene, he willingly submits to the 12 labours/punishments, after suffering and dying his body vanishes but he is soon “resurrected” and “ascends” to heaven becoming a living god with a new “divine superior body,” the addition of after-death appearance narratives also accompanies many of these tales similar to Romulus mentioned above, from hero to a god “Resurrecting Hercules” celebrations continued well into the common era until outlawed by the new Byzantine church-state and are even attested by Josephus (Josephus in his Book I of History of the Jews quotes Alexander Polyhistor; “because these men were auxiliaries to Hercules, when he fought against Libya and Antaeus; and that Hercules married Aphra’s daughter, and of her he begat a son, Diodorus; and that Sophon was his son, from whom that barbarous people called Sophacians were denominated.”, and he also cites the 4th century BCE historian Megasthenes who favourably compared Nebuchadnezzar to Hercules). Hercules was eventually also fused with Melqart another of the most ancient of Phoenician resurrected deities (many scholars have shown strong undeniable evidences that the biblical Samson character was largely adapted from Hercules), the earliest ancient inscriptions evidence shows the worship of Heracles was a popular cult already by at least the 6th century BCE…Celsus is quoted by none other than the early (the early new with newly introduced doctrines and theologies) church official censure-fabulist Origen himself in his 3rd century work “Against Celsus” where he mentions that in the 2nd century Celsus reported “a great many Greeks and Barbarians claim they have frequently seen, and still see, no mere phantom, but Asclepius himself” (Contra Celsus 3.24), interestingly though, Asclepius, who was also believed to have raised people from the dead, lived circa. 5th century BCE and his followers soon after his death and resurrection immediately founded Asceplian healing temples and schools (Asclepeion, there are also many “miraculous healing” inscriptions in marble and stone dating from the 4th century BCE testifying to the facts, i.e. – people commemorating and actually leaving behind permanent personal testament inscriptions in marble and stone testifying their thanks for their miraculous healings and cures, not just later anonymous stories and oral fables, with even many instances of entire limbs and missing eyeballs growing back which is something even biblical healing miracles can’t emulate)…
…the portrayed alleged disciples/apostles of Jesus however never even enter the historical record anywhere at any time and they even soon “poof” vanish from the biblical narrative stories entirely, that’s right they just soon disintegrate out of the written narrative altogether being never mentioned again (only much later in the 2nd and 3rd century and later do various new legends appear with various contradictory accounts and hocus pocus), by all accounts according to the written material if they really existed as portrayed and claimed then they instead should have very soon went on to become famous wonder workers and probably even the most famous people in the history of the world, probably even being invited by leaders, kings and even emperors to their royal courts to be taught and amazed about the doomsday apocalypse coming in their lifetime (like a bunch of Peter Popoffs and Morris Cerullos wowing the people across the lands with astonishing gabbing powers and magical astonishing feats). Also considering the alleged Paul character writings take up half of the entire NT (of which 1/2 of the letters are even proven to be later written fraudulent pseudepigrapha anyway which arouses suspicion on all of them by many scholars), then you would think “the 12” disciples would have at least 12 times more letters included in the NT, or at least a significant portion of proven genuine letters from the same early period or at the very least as many letters combined as Paul, but instead it’s just all about “Paul, Paul, Paul”..(Paul believes this..Paul thinks that..Paul hears a voice in his head..Paul sees a light..Paul knows how to read and make up new meanings and abstract cryptic boring theologies concepts to bore people with logical reasoning brains to death..Paul spends 14 years in the desert frying his brains reading OT mythomanias..Paul doesn’t like this or that..Paul is upset about such and such..Paul is special..Jesus changed his mind about lots of stuff and tells only Paul what he really meant..Paul vs. the 12 “false apostles”..(to Paul everyone else is a false apostle though, even people who were Christians long before him while he was instead beating them up and arresting them putting them in prison, because he’s now super-special and “Paul Super-Duper-Apostle” better than the rest)..Paul has the answers and knows the secret eternal mystical blood magic news scoops (just only him though and nobody else on the planet)..Paul and his magical thinking…Paul is going to outer space any day now to get a new genderless spacesuit body..Paul has a mental break from reality then immediately goes to spend 3 years in Arabia..Paul says don’t even bother getting married or having kids because it’s pointless (because you’re new genderless cosmic spacesuit body is already waiting for you and for the new zombies just around the corner)..Paul writes a letter..Paul collects many coins..Paul gets in an Odysseus shipwreck…Paul gets bitten by a snake..Paul hides and escapes in a basket..Paul writes some more letters about new obscure weird mystical cryptic abstract concepts theologies to country bumpkins..Paul and his guaranteed personal doomsday apocalypse and floating genderless immortal zombies in the clouds in new spacesuit bodies happening in his lifetime “guaranteed by his skylord”), but all the while the supposedly “personally handpicked” disciples immediately instead became invisible or just ghosts I guess, because they instead just dissolved into obscurity overnight never leaving any material evidences of their existence, no miraculous miracles powers as promised, and not even entering the real world historical record anywhere at anytime.
(Of course only much later and for centuries including even up to medieval times (and even later still actually), is when various new invented fables emerge and magic powers hocus pocus legends and new “it is saids” and “traditions” suddenly appear and start to be invented, written and popularized (as is usually the case when writing fictions and about fictional people so no surprise there at all, rule #1; when in a new cult or sect it’s important to make up amazing incredible genesis characters and astounding events). That’s when new out of the blue “traditions” suddenly appear, new traditions started that are founded on other unfounded fables and anonymous stories or just brand spanking new invented…”It is said that such and such”…It is said that this and that”…”It is said that…”…a new piece of bone fragment is purportedly and anonymously suddenly found here, a piece of elbow bone found there, a piece of ankle bone over here, a finger bone or bony hand is “found” and another elbow bone is found way over there somewhere by somebody…”It is said that…” (not sure where or by whom but it was purportedly found somewhere and tradition says it can even do various hocus pocus sometimes too, “it is said to belong to [enter name here] and defeated many demons, itchy feet and migraines’), even skull heads appear (even the skull of the same guy being found and located at different places at the same time wow, he was multi-headed?)…”Tradition says this…It is said that…Tradition says that and such and such”, no shortage of new traditions and anonymously found suddenly appearing pieces of bones and fingers that’s for sure (if only actual undeniable proven hard historical facts and undeniable evidences could be found and appear the same way the suspicious bone pieces and dubious magical stories and legends traditions appear). Especially during and particularly after the time of Eusebius (the dubious 4th century controversial exegete who spent his time censuring, fabricating, editing, interpolating, inventor of martyr lists and brand new unheard of before legends for the new religion, more about him later), there was suddenly a new “Martyr Supply and Demand” because as new churches were being built they required “relics” to attach to them so as to wow the local unknowing peasants and give an aura of magical power and especially mainly strengthen their “faith” and “obedience”, entire bodies and skeletons were impossible as proof of course except in very recent cases of someone locally known, so just a new dubious unknown finger, femur, toe or hand found somewhere was good enough to pull it off, “behold this bone of someone people, let me tell you a story about this one, it is said there was once this guy…”, not long afterwards fake relics become big business and even part of power politics…”I need a piece of bone I tell you, I hereby command you to go find me a piece of bone, I need a really, really great piece of bone or finger or head from someone”. Heck suddenly new dubious and anonymously found pieces of wood were all the rage, and then rusty nails suddenly “appear” at opportune times along with a new tradition and “It is saids” again, pieces of thorn bushes, spurious pieces of old cloth suddenly “appear” and are “discovered” also and “It is said”, then even more astounding miraculous claims and traditions and “It is saids” appear…a piece of Noah’s axe or boat, a purported lock of someone’s hair (probably belonging to a disciple or one of the Marys, Johns, Simons or Marks etc, surely it must be how could it not be?), wine from a Cana wedding, a blood stained hanky, even a feather from archangel Gabriel’s wing and much, much more (even these days some people claim to have found a piece of wood in Turkey that was a giant boat and various finger and elbow bones in the deserts). After all, you can’t argue with another newly appeared tradition story and a dubious purportedly found piece of anonymous bone, a hanky or piece of tree from somewhere can you? “It is said” after all and you have to admit that’s pretty undeniable proof and evidence probably).
If there’s one thing that is unequivocally proven, that is without a doubt an absolute fact and known to be 100% factually true, it’s that stories are never in a shortage. There is a human tendency by many people, especially televangelists and scamvangelist preachers, to respond to many of the contradictions and difficulties by just make-believing that no difficulty exists or by greatly downplaying the contradictory error/information that doesn’t fall in line with their reasoning, ideas, agenda or theology to the point of it practically not existing, but it is still written so it does exist (Cognitive Dissonance). The quickest, and laziest, (and most deceitful) way to overcome the problems is to then just pretend that there is no problem…”Oh heck there are no problems everything is perfectly fine, there are zero problems or contradictions what’s for lunch? ham and peas?”. That’s the mighty magics and “power of pretend” and will get the faith shekels seeds into the tax-free temples coffers and expense accounts easier. The “Power of Pretend” is actually quite powerful and amazing when you think about it, anybody can pretend just about anything in their mind, and not even need any proof of anything either (“Pretend Truth” and “Pretend News” was around a lot longer before “Fake News”, it’s basically the same thing). Even little kids know how to play pretend and can even have conversations with invisible made up people and yes even with floating space beings and talking animals better than most adults.
Much like most of the previous magical OT characters and hocus pocus events and historical real world inaccuracies, events described by both the “Matthew” and “Luke” novels writers likewise cannot be reconciled with history outside the New Testament. Both authors disagree and list events that, had they actually happened, could not have escaped public record, and this is particularly evident in their Jesus character dealings which begin from the start with competing contradictory nativity stories.
Before even getting into the fundamental meat of the matter and contradictions of the story, the presented genealogies of the Jesus character are completely different. In the Matthew gospel novel, the scribe writes that Jacob is the father of Joseph, but in Luke he writes that Heli is the father of Joseph. There are also problems in the used 1 Chronicles “lifted” quote by “Matthew” which would imply that his Jesus is a descendent of David through Solomon (oh you know, the king Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines for holy on the side fun supposedly, I think that’s why Pat Robertson named his show “The 700 Club” probably), but the “Luke” writer in his genealogy actually uses his brother Nathan instead, that’s another person entirely and so is a completely different lineage and is just another problem to add to the long list. Also, the lists from David to Joseph are completely different, the absurd genealogies even has the Luke novel laughably go back to Adam (Adam? yep Adam, “Matthew’s” genealogy to Abraham is not good or impressive enough it seems to wow the reader, so “Luke” instead goes all the way back to talking snakes in a garden and duped clueless masters of the garden universe times, so we’re off to a really great accurate historical account start to the story, really great history writing. Besides, if the Joseph character is presented as “NOT” being Jesus’ actual real physical father, then both genealogies are really just futile attempts to link “their Jesus” to anybody on earth anywhere and so it’s pointless anyway, (talk about overcompensating), seriously, the fake genealogies writing authors are shooting themselves in the foot, if Hercules…I mean Asclepius…I mean Perseus…I mean the Jesus character is supposed to be descended from the lineage (from the “seed”) of a David, then how exactly is this possible if Joseph or anybody else on earth are “NOT” his real father giving any “seed”? He’s descended from nobody on earth it says so right in the narrative story and it’s plain to read, there is absolutely no “seed” involved in the birth, so the fake Joseph genealogies are pointless fabrications, absurd and just theological smoke and mirrors rubbish concoctions! The fake cherry picked predictions attempts are only “theological magic numbers” genealogies and they fail big time on multiple levels).
Actually both genealogies are mainly just directly “lifted” (aka plagiarized) from the OT anyway, a straight copy and paste, then just tweaked-edited as each writer wanted symbolic magical numbers of generations in their equations, using of course gematria as the rules (3 sets of 14 in Matthew and both using factors of 7 which is the main important thing for accuracy, everyone knows that). Matthew has twenty-seven generations from David to Joseph, whereas Luke has forty-two, with almost no overlap between the names on the two lists. This is because in reality, the gospels-novels writers had no great desire to fulfill any historical accuracy; just like the OT scribes-authors before them they had an agenda and only symbological requirements and magic numbers calculations for their devised “theological truth claims” (aka “Pretend Truth”), to hell with reality and real facts more or less (also interesting is that the anonymous Matthew gospel novel writer decided to omit and leave out a number of named generations and kings from his “lifted” OT text specifically so he could claim 3 sets of 14 generations equaling 42, however even still his last set is actually only 13 generations so just yet another problem on top of the contradictory “Luke” genealogy problems). Humans genetics, real world history, anthropology, palaeontology etc are not factors in the scam faked genealogies either…obviously. The “Luke” writer also failed to remind in his amazing super-duper wowee genealogy that the entire population of humanoids on the entire planet as told according to his believed version of history-reality, derive from just 3 men and not just only his failed magic man superhero, which would technically mean Jesus was likewise a product of incest (that’s the only conclusion from the written sources and implied information so these gosh darn dang awesome genealogists don’t have much foresight, hindsight or even common sense about these things, because where else are any further humanoids supposed to come from? the magical stork delivered them? a magical pigeon just suddenly made them appear? perhaps). See also “Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan Guys. Get Over It” and “Dying and Rising Gods: It’s Pagan Guys, Get Over It” for more general information.
Strangely also, as is usually the case with the mythomania of all the gospels novels writers though, so actually not strange, they go full steam ahead from the very start just telling their stories, like reading an owner’s manual to a crockpot or Ikea furniture assembly directions, and in this case their nativity story. i.e. – They don’t identify or say who they are at any time or where specifically they are writing, (and not even writing in a language connected to the area where the “plots” and “adventures” take place), or what and who their sources are (since they weren’t even alive or in the area at the time, who the hell are you anyway mr. scribe? all hiding anonymously behind pages and ink and being all contradictory and stuff), they don’t state why the reader should believe them and their sources or why they are good and trustworthy sources, the scribe author doesn’t have any personal thoughts or opinions about anything he writes and claims or why they believe their sources are true (e.g. – …”Hi I’m Todd, I was skeptical at first because it sounded just too incredible and astonishing to believe, but I was told by Billy who knew Ivan who heard it from Monique and Inga who worked at the inn and who’s cousins Hugo, Karl and Sven were shepherds that night so I know it happened exactly like this, and I did a bunch of painstakingly detailed historiography research and fact-checking which further factually proved it without a doubt, my cousin Pierre even knows a guy who has a piece of straw from the manger etc), nope none of that, which are very general basic methods that actual historians and biographers used at the time, and today especially. Instead it’s just anonymously rushing right out of the starting blocks going full throttle with their magical story narrative, hocus pocus and even reading minds knowing what people are thinking in the stories and knowing long and private secret speeches said by people and floating outer space beings, as if there’s absolutely nothing peculiar or fantastic taking place or strange unreal things happening to question or doubt or be surprised at, no personal author’s remarks about something seeming too amazing and impressive or even surprising…everything incredible is reported as just ordinary while more importantly to them they’re building the story “symbolically” and “cryptically”. And there’s no mention of any alternative accounts of the same event when we (as well as the plagiarizing gospel novel author) know they exist and even used some of them, such as the so-called “Mark” cherry picked cut and paste job example, instead they’ll just change the story on a personal whim without mentioning that they are or why they did it. These are just some of the big flashing neon warning signs and obvious markers that we are clearly dealing with a fiction story…more precisely an invented theological fable written after the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in the late 1st century to fabricate-legitimize an apocalyptic religious sect’s origins and existence and main superhero character introduction, and importantly their connection to OT quoted text excerpts they used (even though they’re cherry picked out of context and not connected in any way whatsoever anyway, as you’ll see). Btw, the original 1st anonymous “Mark” gospel novel writer starts off his superhero Jesus character introduction by only having a pigeon landing on him when he’s about 30 and then given a bath by the camel furs wearing John the locust eater, there’s no nonsensical famous magical traveling adventures and floating singing aliens or a lost ufo, magis, Herod, magical dreams and angels or even any shepherds anywhere.
The 2 nativity stories contain many internal contradictions, they conflict with each other, and also external contradictions when they conflict with known proven verified facts of history. The anonymous scribes-authors of so-called Matthew and Luke without a doubt never imagined that their two books would ever be placed next to each other in a single collection of books (along with the anonymously written so-called Mark and John versions novels). Each author was writing only for their own particular agendas and audiences where they lived (“Luke” even plainly states at the beginning of his gospel novel that he’s writing just only a personal letter to some guy named “Theophilus”, who’s probably just a fellow sectarian cult member…so obviously he must be writing to the entire world and planet then I guess, a great amazing declaration to the world just like telescamvangelists claim), and each of them believed they were writing the one and only true “THE” gospel novel about their Jesus character. We know this because of the mutating, added, reversed endings, omitted and changed information from the original anonymous Mark author, as well as their internal conflicts and correcting of the other previous gospel novel theologies and events which are basically their arguments with each other, that’s right, plain to read in the texts they are arguing with each other, they are not a linear succession of supplementing information, they are actually instead a mutating line of anonymous authors somewhere trying to overthrow and depose the other previous written version, each one is attempting to become “the” one and “the” only official story by adding, omitting, changing information and theologies (the included “John” novel writer is the last one written and a thing of its own way out there in left field, with a new Pentecostal Terminator-Jesus already preexistent immortal who’s totally self-assured about everything and claiming to be a deity, with a new on the scene zombie Lazarus character, having at least a 3 year mission adventure instead of 1 year like the rest and a bunch of other new and changed stuff, characters and ideas not found in the other 3 gospel-novels). As for this particular topic some further points to take into consideration…
Contradictions, Fabrications, Interpolations, Impossibilities, Fraudulent Claims, No Evidences & Believing Your Own Lies Does Not A Truth Make.
…The anonymous author of Matthew claims that Jesus was born during the reign of King Herod. Luke claims Jesus was born while Cyrenius (aka Quirinius) was governor of Syria. However, Herod died 10 years before Cyrenius became governor. Either Matthew or Luke is wrong on this issue, or they are both wrong. Only one thing is certain: the Bible contains an error and contradictory information regarding the year when their Jesus was born. This is usually a big red flag showing that what we are dealing with is fiction, and it’s just one of numerous red flags to appear even just during these 2 nativity stories alone.
The “Massacre of the Innocents” is not recorded in history anywhere.
The anonymous author of Matthew in his mythomania claims that Herod killed all boys near Bethlehem who were 2 years old or under. No other gospel makes this claim. More importantly there is absolutely no evidence outside the Bible of any atrocity like this ever taking place. Historians recorded many things about Herod who was the Roman client king of Judea. We know he was born around 74 BCE, that he died in 4 BCE, and that he completed many building projects, including construction of the port at Caesarea Maritima and greatly expanded and renovated the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem with Roman aid (destroyed in 70 CE by the Romans). It is recorded in sources that he improved water sources, built water supplies and aqueducts, built roads, built Masada and Herodium and ensured peace and order (again with Roman help and military aid), he leased copper mines, killed his wife and two sons, and did many other things. The so-called “massacre of the innocents” however is missing entirely from any historical record, a very common theme one will realize regarding the OT and NT in general.
Also, the text in “Matthew” implies that it took the travelling magi about 2 years to make the trip or that the birth already took place about 2 years previously when the star first appeared, which both means about 2 years either way, because the text reads that “after” he was born is when the star first appeared. Later in the story Herod after realizing that the magi duped him and weren’t returning to report to him, only then he decides to order the massacres…”in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi”…and from earlier text…”Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared”, because why else order up to 2 year old boys to be killed if it was born just days ago, or even a few weeks ago, and because when they follow the “reappearing” star again it leads them to and stops and hovers right over the house, they arrive at “the house” and come across the “child” not an infant in a barn manger (And besides, why even arrive to Jerusalem and then even right to the very throne of Herod in the first place? if they were following the supposed star, which is even the absolute worst place they could have arrived at (why the heck would Herod who is a King of Judea and a Roman client king with armies and great power and authority…let a few travelling foreign unknown astrologer nobodies even approach his palace or property with royal guards security, or why would he even care to waste any time on what they have to say?, he had nothing more important to do than let foreign astrologer strangers tell their astrology tales?), and why not instead perhaps come across something or ask someone else before?, something like…oh I don’t know…maybe…perhaps…possibly…SHEPHERDS!, surely there must have been some shepherds (or other people) out and about doing stuff across the land that could have pointed them on the right track? or why not just another measly angels appearance or dream to set them straight with proper directions?). Even just this farcical story excerpt sounds completely made up and is an incredibly badly planned out adventure by the ufo-star anyway.
The absurd and senseless census in Luke is not recorded in history anywhere.
There is a historical census recorded during the time of Cyrenius. However, that census and no other Roman census ever required anyone to return to their ancestral homes from where they lived 1,000 years ago. There are major difficulties in accepting Luke’s account: his gospel links the birth of Jesus to the reign of Herod the Great, but the census took place in 6 CE, nine years after Herod’s death in 4 BCE, and it was only local in Judea for tax purposes anyway, not an empire wide pointless mass movement of peoples over vast distances.
Chapter 2 of the Luke gospel novel correlates the date of the nativity to the census. – Luke 2:1-5:
“In those days a decree went out from Emperor Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered. Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David. He went to be registered with Mary, to whom he was engaged and who was expecting a child”.
Again, no such ridiculous census as described in Luke shown above ever took place, the excerpt regarding Emperor Augustus declaring that “the entire Roman world”, i.e. – the entire Roman Empire, required all the people living in the empire to travel back to their ancestor’s city, would have even been one of if not “the” most major pointless absurd time and money wasting and serving absolutely no purpose snafus of any ruler in the history of the planet…ever (think about it, everybody stopping working in the cities and towns and villages in the entire empire, everyone working in the fields, farming, fishing, making textiles, working on roads and buildings, manufacturing…everything, suddenly stopping and “Well, it’s time to start packing now we got a long census trip to get ready for”, lol that’s so pointless and totally bonkers!). On top of that, the Romans did not directly tax client kingdoms such as under king Herod, and no Roman census ever required millions of people to travel from their own homes to those of distant ancestors from 1,000 years previously. Even in his own history, Augustus himself fails to mention this incredible “miraculous” census achievement but does mention his many other achievements and that’s simply not even remotely credible.
To add even more absurdity into the narrative equation as well as some good ol’ reality…according to the Matthew’s genealogy he lists 27 generations from David to Jesus, and Luke has a whopping 42 generations from David to Jesus. But even if we take just the much lesser Matthew example and then do the math, then that’s 2 to the power of 27 (2^27) which comes out to 134,217,728…that’s over 134 million people!, even using just 1 parent for Joseph (who wasn’t his real father anyway) it still comes out to 67.1 million (“Luke’s” genealogy scenario is even much, much, way much worse and totally mind-boggling at almost 4.4 trillion descendants, and 1% of those descendants coming out to (drum roll…) over 43 billion!, and that’s only just puny insignificant Bethlehem!). Even using an average generation lifespan and only 1% of all descendants being alive at the time period, then it still comes out to there having to be more descendants of David in Bethlehem at the time than there were inn rooms in the entire Middle East, even more inn rooms than in the entire Roman Empire! No wonder there were was no room at the inn! For all the travelling census guests Bethlehem would have needed around 1.342 million inn rooms! (these days back here in the actual “real world” instead of “pretend world” there are roughly around 100,000 hotel rooms in all of Tokyo, then also factor in other towns and cities in the empire and the bonkers ludicrousness multiplies exponentially).
The anonymous Matthew gospel novel writer of course knows nothing about it and mentions no amazing miraculous pointless census, this would be because according to the anonymous Matthew writer they were instead already living in their hometown Bethlehem, so of course there was no need for a fictional census travel adventure from a hometown Nazareth as the so-called Luke writer describes. That’s right! as in already living in Bethlehem from the start! What’s more, we can logically deduct from known sources that the actual real local Cyrenius census was only in Judea and would have been given about 9 years after the supposed birth of a Jesus anyway (unless he was born twice through teleportation and time travel or that king Herod time travel teleported also and then teleported back to die), what we see is just invented theological propaganda at play. Let’s see what other contradictions and very strange problematic presented information there is…
Luke has no Trip to Egypt (and living for years in Egypt), Matthew has no trip to Jerusalem. The problematic irreconcilable dichotomy is present throughout both gospels-novels nativity stories.
This is a big one that gets brushed aside usually by telescamvangelists and fabulist charlatans, so they just pretend the problem doesn’t exist, and that solves that, (you see? the “Power of Pretend” is awesome because you can pretend things do or even pretend things don’t exist whenever you want then, if something exists you just pretend it doesn’t exist, if something doesn’t exist you just pretend it does exist with no proof or evidences needed, it’s biblical and simply awesome and miraculous! Glo-Ry!…I’m waving my hands in the air looking at the ceiling…not really hehehe). In Matthew, Jesus is born in his home town of Bethlehem, they then flee immediately to Egypt after a warning dream to Joseph, and after their return from Egypt “a few years later” (yes “years later”, probably at least 2 years later), they then travel directly to Nazareth to avoid the son of Herod. And remember, in Luke they’re originally from Nazareth.
In Luke, Mary and Joseph start in their home town Nazareth, then travel to Bethlehem for a famous census (that neither “Matthew” or anyone else have never heard about), then they go to Jerusalem, and then return to their home town of Nazareth.
Many scamvangelists and apologists try to create a “super story” in which they combine the travel of the two nativity stories above into one journey, usually selective cherry picking excerpts or a phrase here and there, ad hoc rationalizations, mental gymnastics (a wave of the hand and presto magico) and imagining a real super gospel in their mind using the mentioned “Power of Pretend” methodology, but this is is impossible, and plainly fraudulent again. The Luke writer specifically mentions circumcision on the eighth day and the required purification time. This refers to Leviticus 12, which states when a boy is born the mother is unclean for 7 days, the foreskin is removed on the 8th day, and she must not touch holy objects for 33 days (if Jesus were a girl, Mary would be unclean for 14 days and could not touch holy objects for 66 days). Luke 39 notes that when this 33 day period was complete they returned to Galilee. A trip to Egypt is not mentioned at all by the Luke writer!…instead they went to the Jerusalem temple soon after the birth and then just back to Nazareth (Dang you Matthew novel writer and your Egypt travelling shenanigans!).
Annunciations, Lost UFOs, Magi, Angels, Shepherds & Shenanigans Oh My!
An annunciation is given to Joseph in “Matthew”, but in “Luke” this is given to Mary. Each identifies the child as the promised Messiah (whatever that means and to whom exactly and for what reasons, “Luke” states that he will be given the throne of David and reign over Jacob’s descendants forever, pfff yeah so… what does that mean to me? Is this supposed to mean something to me? Is it supposed to mean something to me today…to some person living in Japan?…or in the pre-discovery New World?…the indigenous peoples, Mayans, the Cherokee, in Siberia? people living in the Alps? along the Danube river?…in ancient Pannonia, Illyricum, Dalmatia, Germania, Baltics, Gaul, among the ancient Vistula Veneti, Heruli, Helvetii, the ancient Greeks and Romans, the Bronze Age Corded Ware and Hallstatt culture populations, the Goths, Celts, Vandals, Varangians, Liburnians, Etruscans, Thracians, Sarmatians, in ancient India, China, Somalia, Sudan, around the Caspian sea, in New Zealand, Polynesia, Hawaii? etc and so on, this so-called Jacob character is nobody to me and actually means absolutely less than nothing to me and to about 99.99% of the planet because they all had their own kings and leaders…and besides…king David? oh the guy who sleeps with his trusted soldier Uriah’s wife behind his back and gets her pregnant and then slyly and nefariously planned his death on the battlefield to look like an accident just to trickily hide the deed, and he also even already had a bunch of wives and fun on the side concubines anyway, oh what a great holy respectable guy that David Glo-Ry!), according to the Luke writer we have shepherds come to Bethlehem for the nativity scene, this after being told from some glorious singing floating angels in the night sky, but the Matthew writer knows nothing about this. Matthew instead has 3 “Magi” from the east following a guiding star (not kings as wrongly presented sometimes (what kings? of what kingdoms? kings don’t go around travelling on spur of the moment dangerous unknown travel adventures with other kings anyway, that sounds made up), but more correctly representing astrologer magicians and priests of Zoroastrianism or Mithraism, it’s the origins of the modern-day words “magic/magician”, which btw according to the OT laws was deserving a sentence of being stoned to death on the spot which is yet another contradiction problem you can add to the list), following a guiding star that zips around appearing and disappearing and then reappearing and hovering, Matthew knows nothing about any shepherds and angels.
However, the guiding star that the magi follow didn’t have Google maps or even a compass, so instead of directly leading them to Bethlehem it leads them to Jerusalem and even to the very palace and throne of the king Herod (in the process ultimately directly causing many thousands of deaths of innocent children…facepalm). In Matthew 2 the presence of the magi in the court of Herod the Great even disturbs the entire temple city of Jerusalem. The royal court, the assembled chief priests and teachers and even the whole city is upset by this the Matthew text reads! Knowing the gossip network we should expect the whole kingdom to be turned upside down by this news.
After the chit-chat session Herod soon points them on the right track to where Bethlehem is (thanks for nothing guiding star), and then not long afterwards proceeds to plan to kill all boys 2 years old and under in the area to make sure he rubs out any potential new king competition based on what the Magi told him (Later in the fable the ufo star stops and floats directly over the place, but if the “guiding star” would have just taken them to Bethlehem in the first place instead of to Herod’s Jerusalem, then all the “Massacre of the Innocents” would never have even happened, or at least given an angel warning like Joseph gets to tell them to turn left at the fork in the road instead of right, even the entire Egypt escape adventure would then have been totally unnecessary. Absurdly they actually even did get a dream warning later anyway…”And having been warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they withdrew to their country by another route”. What is going on here? Why not warn them to not go to Jerusalem in the first place, and so avoiding all those babies deaths? Dang you lost guiding star! next time use a dang darn compass I tell you!!!). In a way after reading the story and chain of events, it should be called not the “Star of Bethlehem” but instead more precisely the “Star of Herod” or just “Star of Jerusalem”, because frankly that’s where it actually led the magi astrologers if anywhere.
I should also note btw, that according to Jehovah’s Witness’ official doctrines they believe that the star was instead sent by the “satan” character because they claim their god simply wouldn’t allow and couldn’t be behind the lost star/magis/massacres snafu thing (I don’t know if this mental gymnastics theologizing also applies to the many OT god ordered killings, Joshua’s genocidal military campaigns and infanticides ordered by the god, the claimed worldwide flood adventure which kills almost everybody on the entire planet, the many times the biblical god smites and kills Israelites as well as their enemies back and forth etc), which just goes to show you how how these ancient superstitions and primitive beliefs, ideas and claims just keep mutating and mutating and with different things added and edited out and changed and then mutating some more within the mutation…according to however the cult or sect or guru sees fit to include in their particular alternate universe mind control theologies (more about them and about how the so-called “satan” character is really just an imported concept from Zoroastrianism and other Iron Age Levant religions that is NOT found anywhere in the earliest OT biblical text, and how the biblical satan character is actually really just the same biblical local tribal god character just under a different name, how at first he originated as a personality trait of his, and then only later still transformed (mutated) into a proper noun as a specific personal heavenly errand boy/lackey (aka gofer, before mutating again and “given” a kingdom and realms and his own personal army of angels and even power and authority over the entire earth to rule (instead of being just simply defeated already and out of the picture and problem solved because that would make too much sense or be nonsensical Glo-Ry!), and then later still even miraculously turned into a garden snake who teleports backwards in time and completely duped his maker who had no clue etc), which is even admitted and proven by the biblical text and narrative itself, that can be read at my first post here).
*(Author’s note – I’m not implying I’m all-knowing or perfect and all omni this and omni that knowing everything everywhere before it even happens…and even before that, but If I was the god character in this story I would have warned the magi to not to go to Jerusalem and visit Herod and instead just direct them straight to Bethlehem (as in…”Pssst, Hey Magi guys down there, take that road on the left and don’t visit Herod, if you do he’ll get all in a ruffle and start slaughtering babies to nix any kingly competition which will make me look bad and unknowing, trust me I know what I’m talking about, oh and be sure to bring along some nifty fancy gifts while you’re at it, gold would be a good idea…happy trails magis!”), that way no innocent babies get killed for nothing and I would come across as a swell all-knowing super-duper smart great guy god and all that instead of a clueless unknowing jerk deity with no prediction foresight powers. But that’s just me and the way I personally roll, just saying).
Which brings us to the major problem which gives birth to numerous other problems and contradictions, including the 2 nativity stories conundrum discussed so far, that being that the so-called Matthew and Luke gospels novels are mainly separate written works, anonymous Greek written works, which largely plagiarize from the oldest first anonymous gospel novel called Mark, and then add and change information, characters and events to suit their purpose and for their particular audience.
What is the so-called “Gospel Truth” anyway then?…Well it depends which gospel novel you read and believe, with so many errors, contradictions, and added and changed information between them then “Gospel Truth” has the same meaning as “Fiery Snow” or more correctly it actually has no meaning, that’s right, after reading this post you will realize that the term “Gospel Truth” is just pointless meaningless semantics chicanery (as well as an oxymoron), it’s really only just “Pretend Truth” in a person’s mind and imagination. Almost 95 percent of the content of Mark’s text appears in Matthew’s text and more than 50 percent of the Mark text is in the Luke text. However, if wrongly presented as being 3 independent witness sources as many televangelist preachers do, then why would the so-called Luke and Matthew anonymous authors largely plagiarize word for word from a book written by another unknown writer who never met any Jesus character, and never even lived in Palestine or during the time period in question, plagiarizing from a person who was not an eyewitness and not even remotely qualified to be writing any sort of witness books in the first place? Good question.
But more perplexing and problematic, why the heck start adding a whole bunch of different contradictory information including changing and reversing events, or more interesting to note why would the anonymously written Mark gospel leave such supposedly basic fundamental important information out of his book in the first place? (but he strangely mentions a young man fleeing naked during the arrest of Jesus because that’s more important to know probably than just resurrecting and floating to the cosmos like a balloon?).
For instance Mark starts his story off after Jesus being given a bath by the camels fur wearing John the locust eater (and honey he supposedly scraped from tree bark crevices, being an obsessed deranged holy man prophet is awesome), his Jesus is peculiar and very secretive and even unable to perform miracles at certain times, Mark does not include any information about any miraculous virgin birth or nativity scene or a super genius ‘tween Jesus who disobeys his parents and wows the elders in the temple by reading, and there’s no insinuation or doctrine of any divine pre-existence either (strangely decades later the anonymous John gospel writer does a 180 degree turn and writes almost exclusively about and highlighting the pre-existent theology aspect), “Mark” doesn’t include an amazing walking on water scene or raising a dead Lazarus, in Mark he’s secretive always speaking in parables so much so that even his own disciples don’t understand what he’s talking about and the parables were meant only for them anyway and not anyone else (“Mark” also doesn’t go on to explain the secret meanings or the point of many of the parables), in “Mark” his disciples basically come across as bumbling, forgetful and obtuse lackeys most of the time and at the end of the story as fleeing cowards (and soon disappearing from even the NT historical record completely, just vanished poof). (e.g. – after the feeding of the 5,000 with 5 loaves and 2 fish “miracle” story, then just a few days later the disciples are confounded and bewildered about how in the world they were going to feed 4,000 people with 7 loaves and 2 fishes, they’re greatly perturbed and not sure what to do about the predicament…but it’s basically the exact same bloody situation!, geez talk about short term memory and being obtuse as if just falling off a pumpkin wagon, they don’t even come across as real people but instead as clueless fake supporting actors behaving more like 12 stooges), unlike Matthew and Luke, Mark makes no attempt to amazingly trace Jesus’ ancestry back to King David, Abraham or Adam with a wowee genealogy such as the contradictory genealogies found in Luke and Matthew, in Mark he is simply just “a son of Mary” and Joseph is not even named, he’s just a man who gets hocus pocus powers only after the pigeon thing.
Among many other problematic inconsistencies probably the most surprising is the ending of Mark, where the Jesus character basically is quickly sentenced by Pilate because of the Sanhedrin’s consensus and he doesn’t much complain or have any discussions or speeches at any trial, he soon dies fairly quickly after being abandoned, and in the original ending there are absolutely no post-resurrection appearances of any Jesus to anybody at anytime whatsoever and no words or promises spoken either (Waaa? No resurrection? you must be confused of course there was a resurrection that’s supposed to be the most important part of the whole book plot and the entire world history you imbecile, why would he leave out a resurrection and the teleporting and zombies if that’s the most important thing you lying heretic infidel storyteller”…but nope it’s actually not in there according to anonymous “Mark” so it probably wasn’t that important to know, not as important as that running naked guy because that there is some important information that the reader needs to know). How is it then that the later anonymously written “Luke” and “Matthew” novels (and “John” after them, the John scribe-author for his theological mind control propaganda even changes their 1 year missions into a 3 year mission and adding a new risen Lazarus zombie character and other things) reverse and change endings, events and other things and then add so much more events, information and contradictions after plagiarizing a huge chunk of text material from a guy writing in Greek who was NOT an eyewitness and who’s not even supposed to be in the loop? Good question again.
If you were writing a personal eyewitness account about someone or something wouldn’t you write from the very start about the way it was and the way you saw it in your own personal words? Would you even write a biography and quotes used about someone living in a city from 1920 and then just plagiarize 50% to 95% of some other person’s written work who wasn’t even alive at the time or living there or even see or witness anything? (Plus televangelists like to insist that the anonymously written “Mark” text was written around 70 CE, however today and for quite some time we know that is very unlikely and is only the hypothetically earliest date possible after the Roman destruction of the temple during their Siege of Jerusalem, many scholars are actually of the opinion based on studying the text material fragments that “Mark” (the Mark version known today) was probably written circa. 90-120 CE or most probably even later, and all the gospels probably as late as the 3rd century, circa 200 CE, because what they read like before that we don’t know because there’s no sources or fragments). Basically the only thing that can be gleaned from the text of the oldest first anonymously written “Mark” author story with any certainty is that the Jesus character was a man with human parents who was eventually sentenced to death with the Sanhedrin’s urging and then he soon died fairly quickly never being heard or seen again by anyone, with no later added text about walking through walls afterwards or zombifying floating to the clouds or a babbling in tongues party (hint-hint scamvangelists and your infernal verbal diarrhea) or any promised miracles and snake handling superpowers etc. Mark’s story simply ends with some scared women running from a tomb with some guy sitting inside and then saying nothing to anyone about anything and then close the curtains and put on the theatre lights basically, end of the movie folks and please remember to put your litter in the bin on the way out.
However, there’s even much more problematic issues regarding dates beyond what I mentioned above. Believe it or not even the Jesus mentioned in the Jewish Talmud has described Jesus as living around 75 BCE, one Talmud account tells that “Jesus the Nazarene” was stoned and hanged to death by the Jews on the Eve of Passover as well as that Jesus is being punished by boiling in hot bubbling excrement (shit/dung) because he practiced magic and deceived and led Israel astray (Well there you go, he was a bad, bad, bad Jesus trying to lead astray Israel so now it’s the bubbling boiling shit pot punishment for him, he broke the laws of Moses after all which were given by Yahweh-Jehovah god himself and so he rightfully suffered the consequences, and it’s written right there in the text). It’s interesting to note although not particularly correlated to this example, that the very name Israel actually and literally means “fighter against god” or “the one who fights/wrestles against god” (Yisrael) which is very interesting to say the least. Whether you believe any of the biblical stories or not, either way you have to admit that the Jesus character in the narratives was ultimately put to death because he broke the laws of Moses, which were laws given by god. There are accounts that have Jesus being crucified under Alexander Jannaeus (83 BCE), “Jesus the sorcerer” is noted for being executed by the Hasmonean government which lost legal authority in 63 BC, or in his 50s by Herod Agrippa I under the rule of Claudius Caesar (41–54 CE).
And many other facts that are interrelated with the topic which add much more problems, such as even the dates of the gospels novels themselves and the amount of different gospels that were circulating (and for how long?) since the earliest period of the later mutating so-called “Christian” religion. It’s a fact that the vast majority of people don’t even know or put any thought into exactly who, when, where or why the various text came into existence or even which audience the text was actually written and meant for, when they read the OT and NT text (unless you’re an ancient Israelite in ancient Canaan battling the Nephilim it isn’t even meant for you anyway). For instance all NT papyri examined have numerous scholars who give a more accurate date of the late 4th century, not 1st century as many wish, claim and would like people to believe. The book of Acts is dated based on the Gospels and church tradition which didn’t even exist yet at such an early time period (prognosis: interpolations and inserted text chicanery). Paul material is dated based on Acts. The earliest access to any Pauline texts that church tradition “claims” is around 150 CE having been found by Marcion, however evidences show that all of the later gospels fragments are post Emperor Antoninous Pius and Luke is probably as late as Emperor Commodus at the turn of the 3rd century CE. However most people are not aware there were numerous Gnostic and mystery religion themed “Gospels” already in the 1st century which were all considered the earliest so-called “Christian gospels” (about 90 gospels at least and many more letters, codexes, scrolls, books and text material, many, many cults and sects and each one claiming to be the truth), these and later adapted ideas from previous Platonic, Gnostic and Jewish Hellenistic philosophy and other older mystery religions characters, powers and concepts, ala Philo, Cerinthus, Zalmoxis, Zoroaster, Dionysus, Orpheus, Prometheus, Mithras and many others, which mutated multiple times in various ways through the later centuries of editing, additions, removals and censurings (ala the good ol’ Eusebius’ fabrications and many others) only then eventually leading to what can be generally considered the 1st bible only in the 4th century (although different bibles were also to be found including different gospels and letters, the 4th century Codex Vaticanus and later Codex Sinaiticus were both written in Greek and both are missing numerous text paragraphs and phrases that are found in today’s bible versions (Why? ask Benny Hinn…which obviously means they were “inserted” later by anonymous translators and scribes, by whom and when exactly? good question).
The Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus are the 2 oldest bibles dated to the circa. mid-4th century, they also have books material that are different from each other, so today we have material they don’t have and they have material different from each other, and it’s material we don’t have in any version, on top of that today we have text material that neither of them had (and the same goes for many other texts from before that, many of which are vastly different, later deemed heretical by so-called “church fathers” gurus). Acts and the letters of the purported Paul character (and writers speaking/writing for already long dead Paul, aka pseudo-Paul and “Pauline” letters by scholars) are especially comprised of numerous contradictory “patchwork” letter fragments with much gnosticism and mystery religion beliefs and abstract esoteric concepts included, (even the character Paul is obviously a Gnostic according to many scholars because he never even speaks about an actual earthly life of any earthly physical Jesus character ever and he knows absolutely nothing about any earthly life, earthly birth, words or parables spoken, no disciples, miracles or any events that took place and he was even alive at the time…supposedly, he never even quotes any Jesus character not even once which is very strange (It would have come in handy if he would have reminded his audience “Remember when Jesus said this or did that thing….”, don’t you think so and wouldn’t that make sense and solidify his position to listeners/readers? Instead he obviously knows nothing about any earthly life of any Jesus character walking around and doing things on earth), Paul’s written letters instead revolve around a hazy blurry vague enigmatic “Christ” character in space somewhere who resurrected somewhere in the cosmos after being crucified by mutinous angels Archons somewhere in the nebulous ether layers of outer space (just like numerous other much older pagan religions superhero characters likewise resurrected themselves as saviors for their followers then giving eternal life to followers, because if you want lots of followers to be wowed your superhero simply has to resurrect from the dead basically, resurrecting saviors were popular fads already for centuries, it was a thing).
To show just what sort of convoluted, mixed-up, contradictions-filled, dubious, tangled, complex and perplexing labyrinthian maze the early centuries of the new religion were and of their written materials, and in many cases gospels being vastly different from each other holding very different views and beliefs…As mentioned above the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus are the 2 oldest bibles dated to the circa. mid-4th century, they also have books material that are different from each other, so today we have material they don’t have and they have material different from each other, and it’s material we don’t have in any version, on top of that today we have text material that neither of them had. It is thought that there were as many as almost 100 or more different gospels circulating in the earliest centuries before any of the first bibles, Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus, were manufactured. It is such a bizarre incongruous problematic situation and endeavor that the further back you go to attempt to learn the original sources and beliefs of the religion and clarify any very basic fundamental foundational “original” beliefs, characters, events and premises from the earliest writings, that you instead actually know less and less and less and are instead confronted with a wall of mythomania confusion, and then enter a murky void and a wide churning sea of conflicting beliefs and then bombarded with many different stories, ideas and narratives swirling in a vortex of theological affiliations, groups, cults and sects (i.e. – the person may have hoped to find a kernel of unquestionable evidence and without a doubt proof about something being fact or at least a correct view about something, but then soon realizes they have instead opened a Pandora’s Box of stories, characters, events, hocus pocus, magical thinking, hyper-superstitious primitive behaviorisms, abstract concepts and theologies all going on simultaneously during the same early centuries). And you then also learn from the earliest writings and information that up to and even after the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE that the greatest enemies and threat of the now so-called “church fathers” and new state religion were not the Greeks, Romans or even any other Pagan peoples at all, but instead actually “Christians”, yep “other Christians”, Christians who followed the various other and oldest original written sources and stories. Basically the first 3 centuries of Christianity was an unknown mysterious forsaken abode of mythomanias and Christians at war with each other along with constant charges of heresy back and forth, there actually wasn’t even a specific authoritative legitimate defining of what the religion’s specific beliefs or sources were until forced to come up with some very basic premises at the 4th century Nicaean Council initiated by the emperor Constantine, as in come to a basic agreement about what the religion is about very soon or else, and then presto-magico a new religion for the empire is born, How’s that for bizarre labyrinthian, scandalous and outlandish peculiar? Before that Christianity was mostly a 3 centuries long free-for-all full of disputes, arguments, condemnations, back and forth heresy charges and with no actual “official beliefs”. And if that wasn’t bad and problematic enough, they are all pseudepigraphical or anonymous written gospel works, anonymously written just like the eventual gospels-novels that bibles have today. Just some of the gospels written during those early “pre-1st bible” centuries are…
Gospel of Anonymous (author unknown, name “Mark” applied later)
Gospel of Anonymous (author unknown, name “Matthew” applied later)
Gospel of Anonymous (author unknown, name “Luke” applied later)
Gospel of Anonymous (author unknown, name “John” applied later)
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Truth
Gospel of Nicodemus (also known as the “Acts of Pilate”)
Gospel of Barnabas
Gospel of Gamaliel
Holy Book of the Great Invisible Spirit
Life of John the Baptist
Gospel of the Nativity of Mary
Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew
Infancy Gospel of Thomas
Infancy Gospel of James
Arabic Infancy Gospel
Syriac Gospel of the Boyhood of our Lord Jesus
The Nag Hammadi Library, among which the Gospel of Thomas & the Gospel of Truth were rediscovered
Gospel of Judas
Gospel of Peter
Gospel of Mary
Gospel of Philip
Dialogue of the Savior
Papyrus Egerton 2
Gospel of Eve
Gospel of Mani
Gospel of the Saviour
Gospel of the Twelve
Gospel of the Ebionites
Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of the Hebrews
Secret Gospel of Mark
Gospel of Matthias
Gospel of the Nazoraeans
Gospel of Bartholomew
Gospel of the Seventy
Gospel of the Four Heavenly Realms
Gospel of Perfection
Gospel of Marcion (believed by many scholars to be the 1st unedited original but later changed and named gospel of Luke)
Gospel of Basilides
Gospel of Andrew
Gospel of Apelles
Gospel of Cerinthus
Gospel of Bardesanes
Gospel of the Encratites
Gospel of the Gnostics
Gospel of Hesychius
Gospel of Lucius
Gospel of Longinus
Gospel of Manes
Gospel of Merinthus
Gospel of Scythianus
Gospel of Simonides
Gospel of Tatian
Gospel of Thaddaeus
Gospel of Valentinus
The Clementine Gospel
And since on the topic, here’s just another partial list of other apocryphal and apocalyptic books, many of which were even quoted from and believed by some so-called early “church fathers”, most of them also pseudepigraphical or anonymous, anonymous just like the gospels-novels in today’s bibles…
List of acts
The following list is not exhaustive.
Acts of Andrew
Acts of Andrew and Bartholomew
Acts of Barnabas
Acts of John
The Lost Chapter of the Acts of the Apostles
Acts of Mar Mari
Acts of the Martyrs
Martyrdom of Polycarp
Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs
Passion of Saint Perpetua, Saint Felicitas, and their Companions
Acta proconsularia Cypriani
Acts of Paul
Acts of Paul and The Twelve
Acts of Peter
Acts of Peter and Paul
Acts of Peter and the Twelve
Acts of Philip
Acts of Pilate
Acts of Thomas
Acts of Timothy
Apocryphal and apocalyptic literature
The following list is not exhaustive.
History of Joseph the Carpenter
Epistle of Barnabas
The Shepherd of Hermes
Apocalypse of Abraham
Apocalypse of Adam
Apocalypse of Elijah
Apocalypse of Moses
Apocalypse of Sedrach
Apocalypse of Zephaniah
Apocalypse of Zerubbabel
Greek Apocalypse of Baruch
Greek Apocalypse of Daniel
Greek Apocalypse of Ezra
Syriac Apocalypse of Baruch
Apocalypse of Golias
Apocalypse of Paul
Apocalypse of Peter
Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius
Ascension of Isaiah
Apocalypse of Samuel of Kalamoun
Apocalypse of Stephen
Apocalypse of Thomas
Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter
First Apocalypse of James
Second Apocalypse of James
Coptic Apocalypse of Paul
…the above list doesn’t even include all the various early so-called Christian Gnostic groups themselves who existed at the same earliest time and many of which we know about by name, and it’s also only a partial list of the gospels known about that fortunately weren’t completely wiped out and destroyed by the later censuring and editing so-called church fathers politburo committees along with their “state backing”, and you sure didn’t want to go against or complain about “state backing” that’s fore sure because it could be very, very, very hazardous to your health (because if you don’t actually do something relevant and useful that actually contributes something to society, civilization, to actual real knowledge and progress (farming, fishing, making pottery and metalwork, textiles, stonecraft, cleaning latrines etc) or write books about poetry, music, art, philosophy, math or science books etc, but you’re instead pathologically fixated-obsessed and neurotically consumed from sunrise to sunset with these interwoven stories and ideas originating from the same ancient primitive deserts cults and societies and their national myths writings (including even going into isolation in remote areas so as to pray and burn candles even more for some reason, and even cases of living in caves for more solitude so as to write and chant even more, various monasteries galore that for the most part serve absolutely no purpose or make any difference in the real world), then you’re naturally going to see lots of gospels written and preachers fabulizing and fables preaching trying to get lots of converts, just like in the more ancient OT times where anonymous sects and gurus were dreaming up all sorts of invented theologies and regulations, abstract concepts ideas, failed predictions, midnight gematria calculations, fake cryptic visions claims and unfounded bogus histories, and even claiming demons were behind blindness, premature deaths, sicknesses, abnormalities and diseases, demons were even believed by ancient Israelites to be found in bodies of water which caused blindness after drinking from it and similar absurdities…however today people like Pat Robertson think demons are also found in clothes, so better be careful next time at the store shirts and pants racks I guess, magical thinking is just so exciting isn’t it?), many gospels of which differed greatly on numerous important points, some believing the Jesus character was just a man, others that he was a phantom and never a physical man, and not even mentioning anything about any crucifixion, death, resurrection, no final judgement or apocalypse etc, him being sentenced to death by different people at different times, or even him not being any sort of messiah type character for anyone at all and especially not for the entire planet, and many of them also claiming direct descent to the first original believers and oral truths long before today’s known, edited and mutated gospels-novels. Anyway, back to the delusional mystical cryptic lying Paul writer and his immortal zombies, new genderless floating spacesuit bodies and end of the world doomsday happening in his lifetime as guaranteed by his personal celestial skylord in outer space…
“FOR OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE” – PAUL THE TRAVELING KABBALIST APOCALYPTIC GURU; HEBREWS 12:29
(At this point let me just stop momentarily and repeat one of the highlighted points above, but with some added context according to the purported letters and the presented written text narrative…PAUL PREACHED THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BOTHER GETTING MARRIED, PAUL THINKS HIS FOLLOWERS SHOULD NOT BE PLANNING A MARRIAGE OR EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING KIDS, PAUL THINKS IT WOULD BE BEST FOR ALL CHRISTIANS TO LIVE LIKE HIM AND BE SPENDING TIME MOSTLY IN PRAYER (LIVING LIKE A MONK BASICALLY, PAUL DID NOT EVEN BELIEVE LOVE WAS A PART OF MARRIAGE, HE INSTEAD BELIEVED THAT REAL LOVE WAS UNQUESTIONING SLAVE-SHEEP OBEDIENCE TO HIS CELESTIAL YOM-KIPPPUR GOAT SKYLORD & HIS FATHER YAHWEH-JEVOVAH, THAT BEING A NON-THINKING SLAVE TO THEM WAS ACTUALLY THE BEST REAL LOVE..(an undeniable obvious proof that Paul was a pathological sectarian cult guru consumed fixated and obsessed with his crypto-mystical esoteric pretend world new theologies doctrines in his pharisean-kabbalistic delusional brains, he was never married and most probably never dated, or had sex, and probably never even kissed a girl and was most probably a virgin his entire life, and on top of that his belief that followers become “brothers” of his celestial yom kippur goat skylord yet simultaneously they also become his “bride” also has obvious obscure cultish sectarian-homoerotic undertones which adds further to his unhinged state of mind and cryptic-mystical self-conversations inventions in his mind)…BECAUSE ACCORDING TO PAUL “WITHOUT A DOUBT” THE END OF THE WORLD WAS HAPPENING “WITHIN…HIS…LIFETIME” AND WAS PERHAPS JUST DAYS OR EVEN HOURS AWAY, ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY SURE WITHOUT A DOUBT…AND STRANGELY ONLY AFTER A NUMBER OF DECADES AFTER PAUL AND HIS SO-CALLED JERUSALEM SECT “CONTACTS” (WHOM HE CALLS “THE 12”) HAD ALL ALREADY DIED (OR IF EVEN ACTUALLY EXISTED, I.E. – BECAUSE ENTER DECADES OF NOTHING, NO WRITTEN MATERIAL, NO HISTORICAL RECORD MENTIONS AND JUST CRICKETS UNTIL THE JERUSALEM TEMPLE AND CITY DESTRUCTION)…ONLY THEN DID ANY SO-CALLED ANONYMOUS GOSPELS-NOVELS EVEN START TO BE THOUGHT OF OR INVENTED, DEVISED AND FINALLY WRITTEN, and when you factor in the previous grass-roots Jewish apocalyptic movement of a competing John the baptizer sect from decades previously (another connected simultaneous total fail btw)…
…and if the Paul’s failed apocalyptic immortal spacesuit bodies and zombies day isn’t bad and ridiculous enough, in 1 Corinthians 15: 3-5 his version of a new celestial Jesus apparitions story does not agree with and is contradictory again with the later gospels-novels versions and problematic throughout. The Paul author’s alleged apparitions ghost story narrative is different and problematic in chronology, in the people involved in sightings, the locations where they allegedly happened and the numbers of people who saw anything compared to the later gospels versions. i.e. – the entire NT doesn’t even mention anything about any 500 people seeing any Jesus ghost anywhere as only Paul does, Paul also doesn’t mention any women seeing a Jesus apparition at the tomb which was well before any of “the 12” or anybody else as written in the Matthew story (Paul doesn’t even mention any women seeing any apparition in his chronological list), the gospels-novels themselves are also greatly contradictory even among themselves about any purported apparitions…where, who, when, how many and in what order, there are contradictory problems all over the place. This is because the ghost story kept changing, mutating and being added onto, added onto right into the 2nd century and even later just like the rest of the gospels narratives (largely because they were adapted from and modelled after other older Pagan mythologies, ghost stories and their dying and rising heroes/demigods legends already known and popular for centuries in the area, to be discussed a little later), much later the last so-called “John” gospel-novel authors eventually even equate the Jesus character into being the Yahweh-Jehovah god himself! lol, pure mutating, evolving and changing new sectarian apocalyptic theologies changing even further through the centuries. (Which are easily understood and obvious evidences again that we are not reading any sort of actual real history or real world historical events but are instead just reading pretend world fictions invented by a few obsessed writers with theological agendas, spreading fabricated fictions just like the entire OT Hebrew bible is mostly fiction and mythomanias, the modus operandi remained the same).
…and the alleged so-called “Paul’s epistles” material which is strangely, but then again really not strange at all when everything is factored in and looked at more closely from an overall better view of the geographically coterminous and religio-cultural beliefs coterminous area and time period…particularly strange being the similar parallels and even including quoted excerpts, phrases and titles and connections to the ancient desert Qumran Caves dwelling Jewish apocalyptic sects including the well-known Essenes and their various Dead Sea Scrolls mystical magical cryptical ruminations (and other dubious sectarian literature and theologies beliefs, various already existing Gnostic theologies and other anonymous spurious mystical apocryphal written material from the time (that in numerous instances also expected a new appearing messiah-savior type person who would zap and melt annihilate their enemies the gentile Greeks and Romans especially and then rule a new powerful kingdom based in Jerusalem and the temple, which also never happened and instead the opposite actually happened), which when understood more thoroughly then clearly shows again and proves that we are not dealing with and reading about just a singular individual so-called Paul character’s purportedly original mind control inventions and fabulizing shtick during his impending outer space skylord’s immortal zombifications mission, but that on the contrary we are clearly dealing with a continuum and wide range of “already existing” and known about interconnected sinister tangled webs of underworld secret doomsday sects and obscure abstract concepts cryptical mystics cults (John the baptizer and his sect being just one example that was appropriated later for new invented gospels-novels plots stories) and theologies groups in the area and so as a result we are actually dealing with a dark underworld nefarious bubbling brew concoction and commixture of various changing, transmogrifying, mutating, branching off and further mutating ideas of fanatical apocalyptic doomsday death cults and cryptic blood magic sects of ancient Palestine of which we have an abundance of evidence for that they existed at the time, a sort of underworld secret parallel-society of apocalyptic obsessed fanatics in a doomsday psychosis alternate world reality living in the shadows, crevices and even literally in desert caves expecting the end of the world in their lifetimes, and that’s regarding only just the Jewish Hebrew and Aramaic written material sources of the Essenes and Qumran community sect and not all the other contemporary influences and scrolls sources or even the earlier ideas, traditions and customs…from the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Mesopotamia, Akkadians, Egyptians, Assyrians, Zoroastrianism, as well as influences from the already existing Greco-Roman mystery religions and other local Canaanite religions in the neighborhood just partly discussed here)…
…then we also have Paul’s conflict and acrimony with the Jerusalem sect 12 politburo founding members (whom he calls “the 12”, aka the 12 super-apostles to later fans of the gospels-novels who just happen to immediately disappear and dissolve into space and time leaving no evidences or accomplishments behind or even enter the historical record anywhere at anytime) and especially the written admittance by Paul of direct conflict with Peter, and James (aka the Lord’s brother, real or figurative it’s not clearly defined or known and the majority of scholars lean more towards figurative “sectarian brother” because Paul knows nothing about any physical earthly Jesus birth, life or earthly events) and his letters text material where even the Paul character himself writes that James and the Jerusalem 12 were “false brothers” and sending spies to keep tabs on his foreign preaching travels (he also states in 2 Corinthians that his god…”has given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me”, yep Paul admits that his god is sending satan to torment him, and he also informs his readers that after praying his god still refused 3 times to stop it or take it away, pfff f**ked up in the head lunatic much???), his new arriving from outer space skylord zombifications mission, donations coins gathering and other dealings (almost like the Jim Bakker-Jerry Falwell PTL fight as an analogy), then the dark underworld conspiring events we read in the stories take on an even more ill-omened wretched sinister aura, yet where did all the intended for the Jerusalem sect founders (“the 12”) donation gift of Paul’s many collected shekels funds suddenly disappear to anyway?, all those many collected shekels from over the years suddenly disappeared without a trace just like the so-called Jerusalem “the 12” themselves also suddenly disappeared and are not heard from anywhere in any historical record anywhere, it seems the shekels donations funds and the so-called apostles just poof vanish from history (just how many shekels from his many years of travelling and getting donations in foreign lands is unknown, perhaps a fortune, especially with the coins being donated in Roman empire coins currency and so after conversion meaning even many more shekels, surely a fortune of shekels)….however some biblical theorists have put forth evidences that the shekels treasure was either immediately safely buried but soon afterwards was stolen by the risen zombies who were previously seen by many and surely probably still alive in Jerusalem at the time…or that the shekels treasure was eventually used by later dispersed minions of the sect to employ foreign writers who were already familiar with the Homeric sagas, various mystery religions and already known locally popular ghost stories to dream up and gradually write various new “anonymous” hocus pocus magical superhero origins gospels novels for the sect, and in the process invent a new contradictory Paul character in the Acts narrative to whitewash the scandalous sectarian subterfuge)…
…The reader can let those very odd facts sink in for a minute, because what we clearly see going on is just the same ol’ “damage control propaganda” modus operandi being devised and fabricated after the fact failure disaster of the cult, not unlike many other failed doomsday cults and sects before and later through the centuries and even up to today…ala Millerites, Bible Student movement, Jehovah’s Witnesses’ and other sects, gurus and scamvangelist groups floating around, but in retrospect and truthfully the main point is that the death knell of the entire Jerusalem-based dark underworld secret blood magic mind control doomsday death cult had then factually already happened almost 2,000 years ago, and so everything written and claimed afterwards by the various anonymous purveyors with diseased minds and obviously under delusional self-hypnosis psychosis fixations then just further invented and added more mutating fictions-theologies and a lot more cryptic mystical abstract concepts, cherry picked mental gymnastics fabulism and especially various unheard of new hocus pocus magical sorcery exploits, invented contradictory genealogies, ufo-stars, travelling magi priests-astrologers etc..etc..etc.
Paul character during his purported “visions”, hallucinations/voices in his head and psychosis mental breaks from reality that he alludes to purportedly, instead mostly writes about mutinous ‘angelic’ or ‘daemonian’ beings and agencies who have kingdoms and reign over the earth and he calls them Archons who have thrones, kingdoms and powers in the “High Places” (among the various heavenly layers of the nebulous cosmos) and that they are the gods of the nations and the earth, and that these mutinous angels are the ones who executed the “Christ” character somewhere in the cosmos, he doesn’t even mention any Romans crucifying anyone or it even taking place on earth, instead it’s the cosmic angelic Archons who did it…in “outer space”…(sounds like a good DC and Marvel Universe movie plot…However many scholars are of the opinion that the most wise serpent in the Garden of Eden could in fact be one of these gods or mutinous angels who attempted to only free mankind from the nefarious vile cosmocrat and from perpetual mind control servitude, because they weren’t created immortal to begin with and were never even told about the “Tree of Life”)…
…and we know Paul’s text excerpts are actually from many unknown authors not just one (aka “Pauline letters”), later various characters were simply “inserted” into real historical times and places and names were only “applied” to the texts as being the authors (We have no clue who wrote it because they’re anonymous writers, including “patchwork” written material thrown in from different unknown sources, that’s the way all man-made religions operate since people learned how to write, it’s always a changing, inventing, editing, mutating work in progress), invented histories and events were then written up “inserting” Paul into the times and events of the so-called disciples narrative in the story (just like in the average fiction novel, or Prometheus, Orpheus, Perseus, Hercules etc), and inserted quite poorly as the numerous remaining contradictions and erroneous information clearly shows we are dealing with fiction, then slowly the phantasm was now becoming an actual real person who was born, spoke and lived in the real world who could do magic shows against demons, make fig trees die instantly and even make thousands of pigs jump off cliffs to drown (Fabricating people, places and events just as the Old Testament writers did for centuries before, and Muslim writers afterwards). Interestingly, evidences and even Christian tradition claims Arianism was the dominant religion at the time of the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE before being mysteriously “outvoted” by some newly appeared theological politburo “claiming” divine right, yet Origen, Eusebius and even Emperor Constantine and his family were of the Arianism Christian faith, which still continued for over a century, Emperor Valens was also up to 378 CE.
Another interesting thing to take into account about so-called Paul, (the very first purported “Christian” writer and proselytizer decades before any later anonymous gospels novels were devised over the next century), and since on the topic of his purported so-called “visions” and secret messages put into his brains from outer space, it’s a funny thing about “visions” (and “ghosts” which go along with visions many times and are at times even the same thing), as Dr. Dennis MacDonald points out and reminds (and who also shows the obvious parallels proving that much of New Testament and other early Christian narratives fables greatly imitate not only OT but also Homeric sagas and the works of Classical Greek literature because they were practically biblical to Greek writers which is precisely what the anonymous gospels novels writers were)….it’s mostly about psychology and even a form of self-hypnosis, although in Paul’s case a weird strange self-hypnosis not to better himself or induce relaxation, concentration and awareness, but instead to induce a belief-psychosis fixation that what he was pretending in his mind was real because he so badly wants it to be so, such as his impending apocalypse and transforming immortal genderless spacesuit body zombifications happening very soon in his lifetime etc (i.e. – a fabricated contradictory “Pretend World” in his mind in this case being passed off as or declared to be a “Real World” in the “Real Cosmos” when in fact it’s a completely imaginary universe existence only in his mind). That being also that Paul and his “personal visions” were really nothing special or uncommon at all because visions were actually very common at the time and for quite a long time before him. Because people were having alleged religious “visions” for centuries and even thousands of years before Paul started writing about his “personal visions”…such as the ancient priests and priestesses of Sumeria, Mesopotamia, Babylonia, Zoroastrian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Assyrian, various Canaanite and other religion’s priests were likewise experiencing visions regularly, and many other more contemporaneous pagan mystery religions experienced visions of their resurrected saviors, gods, goddesses and superheroes also…Mithras, Hercules, Zalmoxis, Tammuz, Astarte, Inanna/Ishtar, Zeus, Osiris, Apollo, Dionysus, Romulus, the ancient Greeks and Romans and many more to name just a few, they all had visions because having visions was a thing, and that’s not even getting into Hindu or Buddhist and other Asian and indigenous religious “visions” which are also much older. How even today people have visions in many religions around the world and cases of many people even having non-religious visions of others such as Elvis, Jim Morrison, Marilyn Monroe, Jean Harlow, Napoleon, Mozart, Beethoven, Homer, Caesar, Attila the Hun, Vlad Tepes Dracula, Croatian King Peter Krešimir IV (including the Croatian Royal Pentagram I use as my favicon) and other former Kings and Queens and emperors and many other actual real historical people that existed to name just a few examples (as well as deceased family members or friends of course, there’s lots and lots and lots of those visions examples also). Which means the supposed Paul character and his purported “visions”, which turned out to be contradictory wrong information and so failed visions anyway, is really nothing special because religious visions were actually already very common long before any Paul started writing if he even actually existed as claimed (as well as the ghosts and ghost stories, ghost stories were also very popular in the ancient world and a thing too). And when you factor in that the decades later devised anonymous gospels novels written in the 2nd century long after Paul would have died, were greatly influenced by Homeric sagas and based on a number of older previous pagan mystery religions resurrecting savior-superhero cults and sects beliefs, and how even the supposed Paul himself also greatly imitates previous visions and ghosts legends narratives, then that just makes Paul and his savior-god copycats of older pagan religions legends, narratives and beliefs and so actually quite unoriginal and ho-hum just like any modern day telescamvangelist vision chicanery babbling. Today of course people like a Paul would be given various colored candy pills and medications in a hospital to help them get back to reality and sanity again from his floating zombies bodies apocalypse obsessions and contradictory alternate reality nonsensical abstract concepts preaching fixations. The main point being though that there is then really no justifiable reason to give any purported Paul visions stories and conceptualized ideas any more importance or credibility than any of the numerous other religious and non-religious visions that have taken place since long before him, after him and that are still taking place around the world today, Paul is just one puny vision-fish in a big size of the planet lake of many vision-fishes basically, and so factually just another pathologically obsessed charlatan and Yahwehism-Jehovahism con artist religious nut, which are also a thing).
The notion that the four “gospels that made the cut” to be included in the official New Testament were written by men named Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John does not go back to early Christian times. The titles “According to Matthew,” etc., were not added until late in the second century. Thus, although Papias ca. 140 CE (‘Common Era’) says he knows all the gospels but has only heard of Matthew and Mark (but being another supreme fabulist he also supposedly knows that Judas swelled up so abnormally large that he could not even walk through narrow streets anymore (just like the Kool-Aid Man basically), his eyes puffed swollen shut, his genitals enlarged and filled with pus and worms when he had to urinate and that death came to him “in his own land” which still stinks so badly that no one can pass through there without holding their nose even up to today, wow now that’s dang darn interesting…lol, Papias is also an important early source on Christian oral tradition and especially on the origins of the canonical gospels novels, so no made up rubbish or fiction there instead it’s super-true), Justin Martyr (ca. 150 CE) knows of none of the four supposed authors (he refers only to excerpts of what he calls “Memoirs of the Apostles”, which could be any written material he came across and sounds very similar to Xenophon’s “Memoirs of Socrates”, as he was very acquainted with Socratic tradition, Xenophon and Plato’s “Socratic Dialogues” this is hardly surprising).
It is only in 180 CE, with Irenæus of Lyons, that we are told who wrote the four “canonical” gospels and discover that there are exactly four of them because there are four quarters of the earth, four universal winds and because the so-called “Church Fathers” also identified the four gospel writers with the ridiculous absurd four living beings or beasts named in Revelation 4:6, 7; cf. Ezekiel 1:10—the lion was Mark, the ox was Luke, the flying eagle was John and the the creature with the face of a man was Matthew, this symbolic identification is made in both Christian literature and art through the centuries and is basically just more fabulist mutating hocus pocus inventions. Thus, unless one supposes the argument of Irenæus to be other than ridiculous, we come to the conclusion that the gospels are of unknown origin and authorship, and there is no good reason to suppose they are eyewitness accounts of a Jesus character. It could just as easily have been referring to the wonders of Dionysus turning water into wine, or to the healings of Asclepius etc.
Only in the late 4th century did the newly devised Nicene Creed start to slowly gain ground and become “official” for the unknowing peasants and masses…importantly enforced with state backing (actually it was at the first Council of Nicaea that all the oldest original very first Christianities ceased to exist [and there were quite a number of them floating around with various differences, concepts and beliefs and each one claiming to be the right way], and so a new monster was born so to speak, which would eventually and even already soon after did give birth to and beget further mutating monsters and “creations”), but not everywhere and many churches did not agree so it was then “enforced with state backing”, many times brutally.
However what the many earliest texts from the 1st century included and what they exactly believed (i.e. – the actual very first so-called “Christians”, although we don’t really know what they even called themselves or their religion because of the numerous cults and sects to be found at the time) before being edited and/or reworked or outright burned in later centuries, we may perhaps never fully know, yet we do know enough that many of them clearly believed in a “phantasm” Jesus-ish character (who only received the name Jesus later after already dead interestingly), but that he wasn’t ever even literally born and that a battle of kingdoms took place in the cosmos not on earth. These are the earliest so-called “Christians” and Christian texts (or whatever they called themselves as that term is a much later construct, it’s a title not a name)…if they were alive to read today’s various bibles and watch televangelist shows they most assuredly would not even recognize what was being preached, the vast majority of the later added fables, doctrines, legends and characters and nonsense shticks, probably even that people were all crazy for believing such invented nonsense drivel.
Inconvenient fact: evidence of early Christian communities is extremely scanty, the new appearing versions of Christian cults remained a small minority among many cults and religions until well after one particular faction formed a political alliance with the State, i.e. – Constantine. The following new theologies and especially the newly concocted Nicene Creed was very unpopular for centuries afterwards with many breakaway new churches and churches that never accepted the new theologies in the first place, and so then persecution was necessary to impose its will, basically the former persecuted now became the new official state persecutors. (Laughably lots of people and especially televangelists even think that only the KJV bible is the true “god-approved” bible version, which would then mean it took the master of the universe only 1,600 years after the alleged narrative fables began to finally get a bunch of yokels, synods, votes, bannings, excommunications, editings, translations, new texts, fragments patchworking, reworkings, book burnings and many meetings to finally get it right and so “Christianity” is actually then really only 400 years old, but it’s still full of contradictions, errors absurdity and nonsense and so it’s not really that impressive actually. And people think “Fake News” is just a recent modern day phenomena?).
And even just the less well-known case of Marcion (among many, many cases of early 1st and 2nd century intrigue, debates, arguments, disagreements, censures and heresy excommunications), which is something probably many have absolutely no clue about because it’s been censored and hushed-up for many centuries (among many other things), it’s very interesting though even from just the historical perspective for history buffs even if not interested in any of the religious views or beliefs, interesting for a number of very intriguing and important reasons that would probably piss of many televangelists especially. (Get ready to be mind blown so you might want to sit down and make some snacks and adult beverages first, I recommend a Martini or maybe a Jager Bomb, you can even order a few gallons from Jim Bakker’s creamy potato soup bucket first if you want I don’t care)…
Because the early so-called “church father” Marcion was actually onto a good idea by finally being the very first person to decide to actually write things down in the late 1st to early 2nd century as a permanent record that people could actually read, (and according to his sources, which were the earliest known sources available at the time because the later 4 gospels weren’t even thought of to be written yet…Marcion wrote that Jesus started a completely brand new religion that wasn’t even connected to the Old Testament and its always jealous, complaining, repenting, genocidal, wrathful absurd infantile, malevolent, infanticidal, smiting, laws and regulations giving and blood magic sacrifices demanding Yahweh-Jehovah-god (aka “God” to some people for some weird reason). Marcion instead denied Jesus’ actual physical and bodily birth, death, and resurrection altogether by explaining that according to his information and sources (again the oldest sources known up to then btw, and there were many other groups, churches and sects who likewise believed similar things at the time, we don’t really even know what the earliest first believers believed or why), Marcion insisted that Jesus was actually an incarnated phantom from somewhere beyond with an imitation material body, as in he wasn’t even born on earth but instead came down as a phantom and then just took on a bodily form, (a viewpoint also shared by a number of the early Christian groups btw, Marcion was just most singled out by competing so-called “Church Fathers” cults leaders because of his growing presence and popularity), but his writings pissed off some others who didn’t agree and who had their own ideas and agendas, so then they decided to write stuff down also to answer back as a retort which ironically eventually became the early New Testament, so you see Marcion actually started the whole idea of writing the New Testament thing, as in the very first New Testament gospels writings and because of this he’s even sometimes also called the Father of the New Testament. Some of Marcion’s views were similar to the teachings of Cerinthus (50-100 CE) who likewise believed that the lesser “Demiurge” god created the world not the unknown god of Jesus, but he additionally assured that Jesus was not supernaturally born of a virgin, but was instead just a mere man, the biological son of Mary and Joseph, and that the Christ (anointing) descended upon Jesus only at baptism but it abandoned him at the crucifixion and he then simply died, died just as thousands of others were crucified and died. Cerinthus claimed that he received angelic inspiration (“Holy Vision”?) assuring him that was the truth of events (and you can’t deny angelic holy visions sent by god can you? It worked for Paul, and countless others before and after, so Cerinthus could very well have the real “gospel truth”). Interestingly, there are even claims by groups already from those early centuries that Cerinthus was the actual true author of the Gospel of John and Book of Revelation, reason being because even today the Gospel of John in numerous obvious and contradictory ways can rightfully be regarded as the opposite of the other 3 gospels and it largely denigrates them. The John gospel novel can be correctly described even as an “Anti-Synoptic Gnostic Gospel” which adapted Philo’s description of the centuries older pagan philosophical “Logos” concept (first mentioned and written about by Heraclitus in circa. 535-475 BCE), because of the vast differences and because it was written considerably after the other 3 gospels and their sources/anonymous authors it can even more accurately and correctly be described and regarded as a truly Gnostic inspired “Gospel of Satan” or more accurately an “Anti-Synoptic Satanic Gospel”, although Gnosticism teachings and theological ideas are found in the Synoptic Gospels also but just not to the high degree of the later anonymous so-called John gospel texts (To put it colloquially, the authors of Mathew didn’t like what was in the written text of Mark and so added plenty of stuff and various new stories and various new concepts and meanings, then the writers of Luke didn’t like what was written in either of them all that much and so started adding lots more stuff and ideas and changing meanings, but then lastly the authors of John (yes “authors” because it repeatedly states “we”)…basically said “F**k all 3 of you you’re all wrong, I (we) have the real deal gossip rumours news scoops story and know what went down and I’m gonna write the real story” and so then wrote opposite things from all 3 of them and adding more different theological meanings, abstract concepts, new miracles and stories, with his new theologies and ideas he actually comes across sounding more like the “Paul” character than any of the other gospels-novels writers). However importantly not to be confused with the Lucifer/Luciferian “Light-Bringer/Bringer of Light” (because Lucifer is just the ancient Roman Latin name for the planet Venus) or associated with the plural “Elohim” Gods who created the world and everything in it, but rather more in line as the Hebrew Yahweh-Jehovah God’s “Diabolus-slanderer” character (the one that throws libelous claims at another, i.e. – Diabolus which became Devil) who is similar to the Satan Angel (i.e. – “a satan” or “the satan” that did or said such and such) much like the one that blocks and “accuses” Balaam while saving his talking donkey from being beaten to death, who himself even states that he was “sent to come down” to be a Satan to Balaam.
Abrahamic Religions God, aka “Yahweh-Jehovah”, aka “The Great Serpent-Maker” , “The Celestial Dichotomy Deity” & “The King of the Mesopotamian Garden”, according to his very own autobiography admits that “He Creates the Evil”.
However, since we know from Isaiah 45: 7 that the Hebrew Yahweh-Jehovah God is quoted saying “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, AND I CREATE EVIL” which implies that God is the Devil (more accurately “the Diabolus-slanderer” and not the Elohim, or Lucifer either of course because the Hebrews never wrote in Latin or Greek), thus the Yahweh-Jehovah God is then denigrating the 3 Synoptic Gospels with the help of his anonymous authors/demons mainly because he is actually the Diabolus/Devil as per his own stated quote in the text and he cannot lie (Now I’m not saying I support Marcion or Marcionism or Cerenthus, Valentinus or Cerdo or any of the many similar earliest Christian teachers, sects and cults leaders or anybody or any belief or desert guru, I’m just saying that as far as we know history tells us that Marcion actually wrote/recorded the very first New Testament books and the very first known gospel from the earliest known sources, well before the later 4 gospels were started to be even thought of and written), and even more surprising probably to many is that Marcion’s gospel is literally the “very 1st Christian gospel ever written or known about…ever”, i.e. – No gospel is ever even mentioned by any of the so-called church fathers before the appearance of Marcion’s “gospel”. As in there wasn’t even any mentions of any gospels whatsoever written by anybody before Marcion did his writing because instead it was just lots of different fables, sources and different ideas and cults floating around, (well they’re all cults actually anyway), we know there were quite a number of different and competing so-called “gospels” in the early years and early 2nd century and each one different from each other in very important ways as well as each one claiming a direct linear connection to the character of a Jesus and his disciples-clique or even having no disciples and being only celestial never even being on earth ever (there are known to have been almost 100 different “Christian” groups and followers of a new “Jesus character based religion” but with very different teachings and beliefs from one another at that time in the Levant, but each one claiming to be the right and true way…pick a card…any card, talk amongst yourselves about that interesting one and the first official known Christian gospel before the later official 4 gospels inventions quandary).
What was Marcion’s actual ultimate crime? Why was he so hated by the newly appearing religion in power aristocracy-politburo? so to speak, by the ones assuming control and declaring and defining dogmas and inventing histories and theologies?…Because he publicly exposed the OT Yahweh-Jehovah tribal deity for being the malevolent moral monster it claimed to be and he emphasized Jesus too much! He was also hated for disagreeing with their interpretation of certain OT passages as being allegorical, to which Marcion replied was nothing more than a feeble attempt to disguise and whitewash the primitive barbarities of their scriptures.
But soon afterwards Marcion was persecuted, got outvoted, called a heretic and then excommunicated by the newly appearing and growing Yahwehism-Jehovahism sectarian version church fathers politburo who usurped control (which was no surprise really, just as numerous sects already existed for centuries so heretics were all over the place also, and there was no defining what a real heretic was anyway because even the excommunicating cliques were being called heretics by the excommunicated heretics who felt they were right and the true church being persecuted), although there still were many Marcionite churches scattered around that taught his gospel for centuries afterwards before slowly disappearing and finally eliminated by the new consensus thought-police church fathers politburo, so his ideas are not some new Hollywood movie plot or recent New Age tin foil hat conspiracy movement, it was real and the very first Christian gospel and bible version recorded ipso facto. Many scholars even think that Luke was created by just adding anti-Marcionite passages to Marcion’s gospel, or that both Luke and Marcion’s gospel are edited versions of some other lost prior gospel, those who support this last view usually maintain that the Gospel of Marcion is then closer to the original than canonical Luke which was written later including fake Paul information, and we know this because of the remaining evidences of conversations and letters about Marcion that date from the time he lived). Excommunicating, censuring, banishing and condemning each other as heretics all over the place all the time, because they simply couldn’t agree on their versions of stories about the very basic fundamental beliefs “No this goes in, that has to go”…”No, it stays and you go because you are a blasphemy guru”….”No no no, it stays out and both of you are heretics and servants of Satan (who isn’t Lucifer (the ancient Roman name for the planet Venus) or the Devil (diabolus) because Hebrews never spoke or wrote Latin or Greek), but we’ll make some other things up first then have a vote, we will vote and add and take away, invent more and vote more until we have the “Word of God” etc and so on). They were having all kinds of councils, synods, votes, more councils and more banishments and more added fiction for the next council and meetings constantly and they still couldn’t agree, the snowball just kept growing bigger with more snow and even sand and pebbles in it. The most boring and dumb eternal arguments and votes ever. Did he or didn’t he exist and what was his name anyway?, was he a man, a demon or god or god-man or a phantasm? Just what the heck did he say anyway? Hey you there, do you guys or anybody there know what he said or did or if he existed? I think we need a big meeting and let’s have a vote! Hey you brother Copeland and Hinn verily tell us what he said (From the time he was claimed to have lived in the narrative novels and wowing and amazing many thousands with magical feats and even rising zombies afterwards, not even one writer, historian, philosopher, ruler, soldier, politician, rabbi or any person whatsoever made any mention of it, Philo of Alexandria the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher was even in Jerusalem for a while during the time period but seems to not be aware of anything unusual going on or noteworthy, it’s all just only…..crickets. Thankfully later plenty of pagan traditions and stuff was added, picking good important earlier pagan dates and customs for the holidays and celebrations, including ancient pagan Croatian customs such as the holiday trees, wreaths, painted eggs, mistletoe etc).
As for the findings and opinions of Marcion, many people today have come to the exact same conclusion just by reading the text, it’s that simple. For example according to Dan Barker who is a former Bible-Belt Pastor, and many, many, many scholars over the years and others, the OT god is correctly described as the most unpleasant character in all fiction; jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving, control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, ultra extreme ethnocentrist parochial, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully, pyromaniacal, angry, merciless, curse-hurling, vaccicidal, aborticidal, cannibalistic, slavemonger, homicidal, evil, and a terrorist, and it even admits it himself that he creates evil and more, see his website https://unpleasant.ffrf.org/ for easy to read proof with the bible verses people don’t like to admit exists which shows that the OT god is really no god at all but is more an absurd “local” primitive tribal moral monster. (Basically, all that modern day rigmarol about all-knowing, all-wise, all-loving, omni this, omni that etc, especially by telescamvangelists today, is just personal invented faith shekels seeds jimble jamble).
The book title of “Jesus from Outer Space: What the Earliest Christians Really Believed” by Dr. Richard Carrier may seem humorous at first or perhaps even outrageous to scamvangelists, but believe it or not it’s actually a very correct description of the views of the earliest Christians which is supported by the earliest written sources, 100% correct actually. Because even the older Jewish scripture world view has many examples of the same concepts, it was believed that the various angels, demons, Yahweh-Jehovah God’s throne and temple, (the “real outer space Jerusalem” and “real temple” not the imitation Earth ones, there were also mansions and castles and various creatures in “outer space” depending on which of the 7 layers of the outer space heavens you were at), the later Satan-Devil-Lucifer etc character, and that various battles and wars raged and were taking place somewhere “out there” in “outer space”, the whole Satan-Job-God’s bet thing took place in the same “outer space” realm somewhere beyond the Moon in one of the “7 heavens” i.e. – the 7 heavenly layers in the literal physical “outer space”. When various Old Testament superhero characters appeared or disappeared or when prophets or people were snatched they didn’t beam up instantly or teleport into some other plane of existence or alternate tangent unseen spirit universe (like in a Bewitched episode), but instead they just floated up to somewhere “out there” up, up and away above the clouds to “outer space”, almost like a balloon or in a staged play being pulled up by strings and ropes by people behind the curtains (even planets and stars were represented beings in their astrotheology such as how the planet Venus represents the Devil-Satan-Lucifer at different times, as well as other earthly rulers such as the King of Babylon (Shining One/Morning Star/Light bearer etc) as well as representing the Jesus character also)…
…However, remaining written evidences clearly show that the earliest and oldest cults and sects of later so-called “Christians” (i.e. – the various many earliest apocalyptic Jewish cults and secret mystery religions adherents and gnostics that eventually mutated to become so-called “Christians” only much later), most of them never even believed in an actual physically born “Jesus” character, they instead believed he arrived from somewhere “out there” from “outer space” from a different god not related to the OT main skydaddy. Interestingly, even the Saul/Paul character who is the first writer about the topic and also the first writer in the NT and who takes up over half of it (that we have remaining textual evidence for anyway but it’s still only from the 3rd century anyway, so who the heck knows what any earlier original material (edited redacted material?) was comprised of), he never at any time even mentions anything ever about any phyisical Jesus actually being on earth or being born on Earth, or born by Mary or even born by any earthly mother, or performing any miracles or magic, having a ministry, raising zombies, curing lepers and the blind from demons etc or even actually being crucified on earth by anyone. In a way his supposed writings are actually more in line with Marcion and other gnostic mystery religions types gurus/writers who likewise believed Jesus was not born as an actual physical man on Earth but instead was a descending “phantasm” that “came down” from “out there” in deepest “outer space” (SPACE, SPAce, SPace, space, space…)…
(Actually, after updating this post there’s even more related nonsense going on even as I’m writing this about some of the above information, again with the so-called “Christian World”. As Russia is currently invading Ukraine again, in the news once again is the behind the scenes church politics going on that is never far behind the politicians. The Russian Orthodox Church clergy leadership and spokesmen (the previously KGB-approved Russian Orthodox Church I should add which explains much) vilifying the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and nation and supporting the invasion, and the Serbian Orthodox Church (which already has big problems and conflicts with the Montenegrin Orthodox Church and Macedonian Orthodox Church and even their very existence) is once again also supporting the Russian invasion and because they also do not recognize the existence of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church considering it illegal and heretical, although just politically heretical at most because it actually is legally recognized as autocephalous independent and equal by the Patriarch of Constantinople (Istanbul), however already there are reports of the Serbian public and media displaying public support for the defeat of Ukraine with a number of Serb politicians stating that Ukrainians are just trash, Serb church representatives taking part in rallies supporting the Russian Jesus invasion of Ukraine, actually even stating that Putin is a great Serb and the Serbian Orthodox Church leadership largely just parroting the propaganda statements coming from mental case Putin, the Kremlin and the state-controlled television propaganda, and even reports of Serb paramilitaries and volunteers going to support the Russians on the battlefields (again like since 2014) as usual under the guise of “Orthodox brothers” fighting their European enemies and representing some sort of weird imaginary “True Orthodox Cyrillic World” vs. the European Democratic Non-Cyrillic Non-Orthodox Countries…that aren’t really countries or even nations and people supposedly according to their politico-religious mythomania delusions (although Bulgaria, Greece and Romania have their own national autocephalous independent Orthodox Churches already but they’re not involved in the imaginary holy battle propaganda or support the Russian invasions either, the only other major supporters of the invasion currently in the news are the Iranian leader Ali Khamenei, Ramzan Kadyrov of Chechnya and North Korea’s Kim Jong-un and that doesn’t help their case much the way I see it), and so the absurdities carnival vortex and “Jesus Politics” continues, Jesus is a really awful and absurd politician it seems and can’t get it right just like his old man, that’s besides not keeping his promises, giving anymore secret mystical cryptic news scoops or blinding visions to anybody or even existing in the first place (unless of course the ultimate plan is to conquer Istanbul-Constantinople to have their flag rightfully fly above the Hagia Sophia (Jesus was evicted and sent packing from there in the 15th century and so he should rightfully be allowed to move back home to live in his house shouldn’t he?, instead of being homeless and mostly travelling around the television stations in North Carolina, Virginia and Texas which is just really pathetic (am I the only one who knows these heavenly sent mystical truths and divinely revealed cryptic esoteric secrets?). I declare then that…Mr. Putin, now is the time to end the blasphemous shame and bring Jesus home already and then have a great big Welcome Home party!…including balloons, party favors, ribbons, confetti, sparklers and lots of bacon-wrapped garlic butter pan-fried shrimp, lobster, crab salad and pork tenderloin of course, perhaps even inviting all of Abraham’s brothers to the party so probably ordering extra wine would be a good idea, a great big exciting Abrahamic house opening shindig basically), but then again perhaps Putin and his very few allies-minions are the real Christians as they claim, killing foreign country civilians and children and destruction for the lord just like good ol’ Joshua back in the glorious exciting bible hocus pocus adventures times, although come to think of it Joshua and his generals and later rulers would have certainly killed all the Christians back then too for being heretical abominations idolators and gentile infidel pagans not obeying the specifically given blood magic rules and laws of the Yahweh-Jehovah which he demanded (he demanded that every single one of them be strictly followed…or else, you don’t get to cherry pick which laws to follow people), and so that would surely cause him to be likewise smiteful today and pronounce a curse or plague or something). It’s all very absurd and reminiscent of the whole Jim Bakker vs. Jerry Falwell conflict and back and forth accusations war (the prophetess-apostless Tammy-Faye was wailing and lamenting crying so much all the time so it must have surely also been an excruciating painful time, even her doghouse she mentions in one of the videos below, rumor says that it was left decrepit and falling apart and practically in ruins just like the Jerusalem temple way back, it’s almost prophetic in a way and probably predicted in the bible somewhere). However maybe the Pope, Pat Robertson, Kenneth Copeland or Benny Hinn (or some of the other television shekels faith seeds prophets apostles in some videos below) will put on their fresh clean undies laid out for them on their bed in the morning, wave their hands and work it all out with their heaven sent gabbing tongues powers and magical water, or at least make a cream and fruit-filled pastry appear out of thin air and seen by many).
Anyway, that’s as far as I’ll go in this post regarding the nativities stories topic, there’s more problematic issues and contradictions involved as well as parallels with older pagan religions stories and legends, which I would have to make a bunch of posts about to go over point by point, as well as cases of mistranslating and changing meanings of appropriated text excerpts, but I think even these few highlighted main points suffice to prove my position. Historical inaccuracies, hocus pocus, contradictions and red flags all over the place which clearly indicate and prove that we are dealing with anonymously written personal fictions, religious syncretism patterns, ancient cultural diffusions and various invented, changed and mutating theologies.
And it’s really not surprising, remember humanoids over thousands of years have become very good at telling various stories, many of them are even very complicated and full of various new weird abstract concepts, magical thinking and pretend world ideas, as well instances of people outright lying (that’s right, perhaps shocking to many but I even checked various sources and came across at least 20-30 cases in history of people just outright lying, as in just personally invented lying, and that’s just going back to 1911! I even have very valid reasons to believe that the numbers may even be 5 to 10 times more liars than even that! Because when you have all the time in the world sitting around for decades and lifetimes pathologically obsessed, consumed-fixated and just focusing on writing and inventing a religion and that’s all, then it’s not really that hard to invent all sorts of stuff and lie about stuff), and some are badly thought out and primitive and absurd invented stories and cosmologies, some stories go off in this direction and others go off in that direction to invent and incorporate more bullshitism depending on the agenda of the author/storyteller, some mutate and syncretize with other stories and become a new story, or even new stories again going off in different directions and diffusing and mutating again (which is still going on even today…because the newer invented ideas, concepts and abstract mental gymnastics theologies may mutate and change but the underlying fundamental basic modus operandi of blood magic mind control cults and sectarian beliefs is still the same as thousands of years ago)…
…storytellers and fables makers from the Bronze Age and Iron Age, from the ancient Romans and Greeks, from ancient Egyptians, from ancient Mesopotamia, from the Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Canaanites, Persians, Zoroastrianism etc and so on (and lots of old and even older stories and legends from the ancient Chinese, Indians, Japanese etc also, lots of people forget that and that the world is actually much larger than just the Middle East or just ancient Canaan, a whole lot larger actually). Heck I’ll bet cavepeople during the Ice Age and Stone Age 40,000 years ago were without a doubt telling various stories around the fire in their caves and huts when not painting and drawing art on the walls, making weapons, decorative objects, clothes or when eating bbq mammoth and bison steaks. Humanoids tell stories basically.
At my very first post “National Security Alert: Foreign Televangelists, Cults, Sects“ I touch upon a cornucopia of problematic issues, contradictions and wrong information throughout both the Old Testament and New Testament texts, as well as a bunch of related facts and historical information that’s good to know. And all 3 Abrahamic religions (and all their many offshoots) are directly affected, I’m actually not singling out any of them because they all come from the same original sources anyway, from the same geographically coterminous cultures and their primitive behaviorisms, from the same cultural and religious milieus, diffusions and syncretisms. Even just the very existence of all 3 Abrahamic religions (and all their mutations and offshoots) is proof and further evidence that none of them are what they claim and pretend to be. If someone doubts that statement, then in the Middle East just what is it that Christianity actually ushered in? Well, from the after the fact state of things for centuries it helped give birth to another monstrous Abrahamic mutations creation and repulsive faith system known as Mohamudanism and Islam, that’s the facts, the repugnant Islamic Abrahamic world of grotesqueries and make-believe is predominant across the Levant and Middle East primarily because of the following further inventions and mutations from the Christianities that existed before it, ipso facto.
Like I briefly mentioned at the beginning of this post, I still have no general issues with the Hibernal Solstice/Midwinter holidays (including the related New Year’s Eve) and the various related customs, traditions and festivities for the already explained reasons, basically because they come from the ancient Pagan Croat Hyperborean tribes time in antiquity, times that long predate the much, much, much later so-called new “Christmas Holidays”, and many of them were over time incorporated into the holiday anyway, i.e. – the interesting enjoyable stuff and foods and hooch etc. So it doesn’t mean I’m going to all of a sudden jump on the bandwagon and convert to become a Mormon, or Jehovah’s Witness, Muslim or Baha’i, or even to Buddhism or Hinduism etc either (I don’t particularly believe for a second there’s any chance of me reincarnating into another animal, bird, rodent or into crawling bug maggot larvae or an angler fish, and besides the Ganges is not all that great for a ritualistic dip these days anyway the last time I read about it, and the Jordan river is high on the polluted list too so that doesn’t get impressive high holy marks either (that one really bothers me a lot because I’m a big supporter of saving the environment, wildlife, trees, air and water, I mean if it’s that holy and important I would enact laws and strict regulations to keep the water as clean as possible, because also every year lots of tourists go there, although usually it’s just mostly various brainwashed religious cult members and fundamental fanatical religious sect groups who go there to put on strange robes, stare at the clouds and dip their toes or head to hopefully catch a glimpse of a magical pigeon purportedly living in the area, and because it’s supposedly where the Ephraimites were slain by Jephthah and where many Midianites were slain supposedly, then to buy souvenirs, trinkets, bottled water and burgers [The pollution of the river is largely a result of raw sewage coming from Israeli, Palestinian and Jordanian sources, plus agricultural run-off – largely pesticides and fertilisers – and hormone-enriched effluent from fish farms, according to Friends of the Earth Middle East (FoEME), who also call it “a very unholy mix” which has destroyed the ecosystem, I rest my case]…although it’s guaranteed that I and everyone in the history of the world including the reader, will eventually be a decomposing corpse being eaten by maggot larvae that’s a given, unless you’re cremated of course), I also can’t join the Shinto religion either even if I wanted too because I’m not Japanese the last time I checked (Where will I go then? It’s a secret adventure…maybe where Zalmoxis, Dionysus, or Hercules is or maybe Valhalla or to the infinite eternal Hyperborean bliss with plenty topnotch pork tenderloin, bacon wrapped garlic-butter pan fried shrimp, wines, beers and hooch etc, or maybe even a Land of Oz-ish type scenario (can anyone prove it won’t be or that people haven’t moved on and aren’t actually there right this very minute? Because if our world can have coins just appear out of fish mouths, walking on and separating waters, sticks turning into snakes, and buns and fish sticks magically appearing by the bushels out of thin air, talking donkey and snake, making the earth stop rotating and moon stop orbiting, coming back from the dead by accidentally touching a skeleton bone, making sundials magically work backwards (that’s a good one also requiring the earth to suddenly stop and rotate backwards and then stop and go forward again, pretty darn impressive stuff), ufo-stars appearing, disappearing and reappearing, singing floating glowing aliens, hairy as goat-fur people, multi-headed leviathan sea monster, multi-headed human-animal hybrid winged creatures and wheels covered in eyeballs, turning water into wine, instant tree-killing powers, demons possessing people and swine shenanigans, six-fingered and six-toed Nephilim giants who can swim better than Aquaman, magical giant boat with penguins and polar bears but with no windows (whew stinky!), living in a fish for 3 days, magical pigeons and zombies seen by many and various blood magic sorcery etc, then what’s so farfetched?), because seriously who in their right mind wants to live eternally, all the time forever and ever, with Jehovah’s Witnesses, with Osama Bin Laden types, with Joshua the babies killer and his types, with Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Jack Van Impe, Morris Cerullo or Jesse Duplantis etc? or just burning and hanging around Dante’s Inferno or the Egyptian Lake of Fire eternally? Not me that’s for sure it’s all yours if the reader believes them and their stories, besides I don’t even like singing in humongous choirs or trumpets anyway I’d much more prefer even just a jukebox or the radio). I definitely also won’t start believing in some tin foil hat, or even any strange pointless weird dumb hat, magical UFO religion, or worshipping a head of lettuce or the omnipotent mushroom or potato religion, or some some ghost of the vegan-dinosaurs religion, or some zombified Bigfoots who appeared out of the pyramids and then later founded Atlantis and built stone megaliths, cosmic shadow beings from whatever planet or similar teleporting ancient alien shape-shifting reptilians from some other galaxy or tangent universe religions either. Just changing one for another overnight just because someone says it’s the best correct way doesn’t make it any more real or the so-called right religion just because I want to think it is (Well, I could possibly join the teleporting ancient alien shape-shifting reptilians religion because they could quite possibly possess the legendary elixir of immortality that I read about somewhere, there’s a bottle of it buried somewhere in the Alps or Carpathians supposedly according to some sources).
And interesting to remind also, all the scholars, skeptics, mythicists and people who study and investigate these topics, none of them really have to go far and search far and wide to support their evidences, views and opinions (or make up evidences and proofs for their findings and claims either), because the actual written texts is their evidences and proofs basically, the texts contradictions and errors were already written out for them so they don’t have to make things up and do mental gymnastics and perform personal ad hoc rationalizations to explain anything (as well as the problematic “argument from silence” and “absence of evidence” which again is another proof in the mythicists camp and really is big problems for historicists)…
…because the various physical, archaeological, scientific and contemporaneous non-biblical written material evidences are just further supplementary bonus material in the mythicist’s corner which give them more weight behind their conclusions and findings, i. e. – it’s the examined and found problematic issues and contradictions in the Abrahamic texts written material themselves which give a lot of the mythicists, scholars and skeptics their evidences in the first place (and you sure can’t blame the mythicists for their conclusions, textual evidences and findings because they’re not the ones who wrote it making the various claims in the first place).
So as a final summation and synopsis of the basic presented points regarding even just this one “Nativity Story” topic, just as the post title reads, the information clearly and without a doubt unequivocally proves that “both” of the nativity story versions are absolute 100% fiction. We can easily deduce and confidently conclude from the primary source texts that the desperate attempts of both of the anonymous authors was primarily to invent and fabricate a new “theological” genesis story for their new fringe apocalyptic blood magic death cult movement (a fringe sectarian apocalyptic doomsday movement that at the time was completely unknown in the historical record and apparently on the verge of extinction as all the original founding members were already dead and many remaining disappointed members had left and were leaving the cult, a fact mentioned and supported by other later so-called church fathers). And to help accomplish this endeavor by primarily using various gematria magical numbers numerology calculations and each one using a previous anonymous so-called Mark gospel as a template and even largely copied from, that each author was writing a new fan fiction model for only their own personal local sectarian group, and so that for these reasons in the process all the contradicting events, chronologies, characters involved (magical and non-magical), theological and known real history problematic issues are abound. Also included was the proven self-evident parallels and obvious adaptions we see regarding previous much, much older and already known and popular pagan religions “miraculous virgin birth” mythemes and legends that were used as basic literary templates for the new superhero genesis stories, albeit used within their own particular Yahwehisn-Jehovahism worldview contexts…
…Also briefly discussed and shown were the instances of cherry picked quotes from the Yahwehism-Jehovahism OT texts, or just portions of quotes, which were then intentionally taken completely out of context so as to fabricate imaginary “prophecies” as imaginary proofs when in fact there actually are none pertaining to their nativity plot because they instead revolve around times, places, characters and events completely unrelated (as well as them being OT prophecies that failed altogether anyway). Also mentioned was the topic of the purported Paul character who is alleged to have been one of the very first founders and propagandists/salesmen for the sect, and who allegedly wrote the very first textual material used as a basis for the doomsday cult decades earlier, but in that case Paul’s new Jesus skylord was only a celestial being that took on a body and was killed and resurrected in one of the layers of outer space somewhere and who never at any time is described or implied as having physically lived on earth or ever being born into it, instead Paul’s “Christianity” was a new apocalyptic doomsday sect that was expecting a newly revealed Jesus skylord to arrive for only the very 1st time (not a 2nd time, or a 3rd time actually) to conquer Jerusalem and then melt their enemies and the planet and make only Paul and his other loyal and privileged minions immortal (as well as any believing minions who already died who would also soon by the process of zombification also attain new genderless immortal spacesuit bodies like Paul, but most importantly only them because only they were privy to Paul’s gnostic mystical esoteric secrets voices information that was downloaded and installed only in Paul’s brains, purportedly directly from his newly revealed skylord in outer space somewhere)…
This new fringe Yahwehism-Jehovahism-based Jesus skylord apocalyptic doomsday death cult propagated by Paul in his preaching however was supposed to have happened during his lifetime, as he expected and plainly wrote about in very minute detail as being guaranteed by his Jesus skylord, which further proves that the decades later and even into the 2nd century invented anonymous gospels were mainly desperate theological mutations attempts specifically designed for only 1 reason and especially for only that specific time period…i.e. – to save the apocalyptic blood magic death cult from extinction because of their growing defections and dwindling memberships which were a direct result of Paul’s and his celestial Jesus skylord’s failed end of the world doomsday and immortal zombifications promises (especially after the complete destruction of the temple in Jerusalem by the Romans circa 70 CE, which their founding cult writer/propagandist Paul decades earlier had absolutely no idea would ever happen even in his wildest dreams)…
…Added into the equation is that other purported cult co-founders (referred to as “the 12” by Paul and who likewise were portrayed as being privy to some sort of alleged dubious cosmic information, but whom Paul admits he was in conflict with and even calling them “false apostles”, which sure is strange) are completely absent from the NT narrative and the real world historical record and especially leaving behind no genuine written material or physical evidences of their existence, points to a select few other sectarian founders who dissolve from existence into obscurity and disappear long before any gospels are written (where they are portrayed as extremely bumbling, forgetful characters possessing unhuman qualities and behaviorisms anyway), thereby leading to strong doubts about their later anonymous gospels novels portrayals as being actual real people or existing in the first place, as well as the evidences we have of numerous other so-called original “Christian” sects and groups with competing and contradictory claims and information from the same early period, then it is apparent that there were numerous fringe “Christ” skylord cults and sects preaching, competing and at war with one another in the first century Levant area but with each one claiming to be the only correct doomsday group (perhaps one or several of them even being behind the arrest and imprisonment of Paul in the first place, or quite possibly including even “the 12” being behind his arrest also before they themselves were eventually killed by other competing and in collusion with authorities Jesus skylord cults and sects, hence their abrupt disappearance and no letters written). Also mentioned was how the early so-called church fathers from the late 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries especially, were a sort of new mutating theological politburo that spent considerable time and letters writing not against Romans or Greeks or Pagans, but instead and strangely again, rather against…”Christians”, i.e. – those earliest Christians of whom many did not believe that their Jesus was actually physically ever on earth, was not born of a virgin, having no belief in a later new growing trinity concept, a eucharist meal and who wasn’t even resurrected (we have letters today that prove this was the case and that writing against all those other and even original older “Christians” was a major topic and a very big problem for the growing mutating theological politburos aka “church fathers”…such as from Irenaeus, Tertulian, Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Clement I, Eusebius, Origen and many others, so they’re greatest foes in their letters were actually other Christians and not the Pagans which again is very strange, in the 2nd century the prophet evangelist Marcion being a particularly growing major threat and dangerous Christian to their Yahwehism-Jehovahism theologies being just one example as mentioned previously). Combining all these facts that are very plainly evident in the written primary source text materials is then more than enough evidence to unequivocally prove that myths and fictions are found as the basis throughout the examined anonymously written newly fabricated genesis stories discussed here.
Yep, so like I said at my very first post introduction (and elaborated on with more evidences at my second post), I guess I could be categorized as an Agnostic-Atheist-Realist, or in a sort of Deism or something like that (i.e. – a Deist in the truest sense of the word definition, mind control-free and not a slave, not forced to believe the lies and being an in bondage slave to another ancient people’s tribal mythologies folklore and primitive superstitions, free from their fabricated histories and pretend world genealogies and universes, fictitious superheroes and contrived characters, free from their invented revelations, phoney and failed prophecies and magical thinking, concocted claims and untrue spurious miracles stories, not a slave to their fake hocus pocus show fables, blood magics, magic numbers sorcery and anonymously written nonsensical contradictory texts, a Deist that has broken off those limiting mind control shackles and is now truly free and not a slave to them anymore, a Deist where truth, common sense reason and reality reigns in the real cosmos, not believing in the imaginary invented cosmos only in some anonymous tribal stranger’s superstitious primitive mind). All I do know is that even the term “religion” is a convoluted word and a labyrinthian term having many meanings, different meanings to different people, and that it has been unequivocally shown and proven in many instances and in many ways that today’s major religions are purely man-made anyway, ipso facto, particularly the Abrahamic religions and their offshoot faiths because all of them originally rise out of particular and strange cultures during specific times and circumstances of the people that the religion initially revolved around and was meant for, essentially and truthfully it’s all another people’s national myths and folklore revolving around only their hyper-ethnocentrist hyper-superstitious worldview,, and the resulting primitive behaviorism at some long ago time in the far past, then as is proven to be common over time it mutated, changed, was added onto with religious syncretisms and cultural diffusions from other people’s religions/beliefs/myths and fables and then mutating some more etc. And so the word “religion” then has lost all meaning and relevance, whatever is really going on behind everything is just way, way, way, larger, more real, sensible and important than all these puny primitive mutating myths and in many cases absolutely absurd ridiculous man-made so-called “religions”.
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